In this thread, we talk about the State of the Union Address

[Kappamd]

My fiance is FLIPPING OUT about the comment that we ship away foreign graduates. He is in one of the top 10 graduate programs in his area of study, and is one of the only American students. He says that EVERY SINGLE foreign student came here to study with ZERO intention of staying here to work. And I believe it; it's a pretty sweet deal.

[aephi alum]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

My fiance is FLIPPING OUT about the comment that we ship away foreign graduates. He is in one of the top 10 graduate programs in his area of study, and is one of the only American students. He says that EVERY SINGLE foreign student came here to study with ZERO intention of staying here to work. And I believe it; it's a pretty sweet deal.

Counter-argument: My mother came to this country from the UK in the early 1960s for her residency. She stayed and married an American co-resident.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by Kappamd

My fiance is FLIPPING OUT about the comment that we ship away foreign graduates. He is in one of the top 10 graduate programs in his area of study, and is one of the only American students. He says that EVERY SINGLE foreign student came here to study with ZERO intention of staying here to work. And I believe it; it's a pretty sweet deal.

Because there aren't jobs for PhD's here in the US. At least in my program, I'd have made more staying in the workforce than going back to school, by a long-shot.

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Because there aren't jobs for PhD's here in the US. At least in my program, I'd have made more staying in the workforce than going back to school, by a long-shot.

My department is always looking for PhD's and has a hard time finding those who don't need sponsorship.


Tea Party response: Interesting comment about the price of gas skyrocketing. I found this timeline:

April 21, 2008—Gasoline prices jump to a record $3.50 a gallon in some parts of the U.S.

May 15, 2008— While many people were shocked at $3 a gallon, they were not prepared for what was about to happen as prices shot up to nearly $4 a gallon. Public hysteria sets in as consumers begin using Gas Buddy to find the lowest gas prices in town.

May 21, 2008—Oil price skyrockets to $130 a barrel. Holly cow!!!

June 9, 2008—Retail gas prices rise above $4 per gallon.

June 15, 2008—Speculators continue to push the price of crude oil. Consumers begin to literally run out of gas attempting to stretch their dollar. Hybrid vehicles are becoming a hot commodity. Stories of gas stations running out of gas begins to circulate, creating greater hysteria among the public.

July 7, 2008—Crude oil prices settled-in at a new record of $147 per barrel. The U.S. average price for regular gasoline climbs to an all-time high of $4.11 per gallon. Road trip style vacations are put on hold for many summer travelers.

http://www.treehugger.com/files/2009...ces-review.php

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by AGDee

My department is always looking for PhD's and has a hard time finding those who don't need sponsorship.

And doesn't that sort of explain why the foreign PhD's aren't sticking around?

What field are you in? I just read that, in engineering, 70% of the PhD's are awarded to non-citizens, and most leave the country afterwards.

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

What field are you in? I just read that, in engineering, 70% of the PhD's are awarded to non-citizens, and most leave the country afterwards.

Because foreign engineers from Russia, Romania, China, India, etc. who come here on worker visas will work for less. $50k is a fortune in Romania, but do you think an American engineer will be happy to make that?

We bring in so many foreign engineers in this country that the kids studying engineering in American universities can't get jobs. So a lot of kids aren't choosing engineering anymore. My husband, who is an aerospace engineer, says he would never advise a college student in the U.S. today to study engineering - our country's companies just don't want to hire American engineers anymore. Proof: it took more than 10 years for my husband to get an engineering job in aerospace, first at a government contractor, but finally at Boeing (after applying for various positions within the company over 14 years). He has engineering degrees from one of the best engineering schools (Michigan), a MBA, post-grad experience from a year study in Russia, and he's one of the smartest people I've ever met...he's seriously a genius. When he finally got to Boeing, he met all the foreign contractors he was competing with for jobs. Not only do they have less education than him, but they have no emotional investment in the company they're working for or the country they're working in. They're all here to make a tidy sum, then go back to their home countries where they can live rich and use the information and experience gained at America's largest exporter against us. It really infuriates him, and me. Same thing happens at all the technology companies.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Because foreign engineers from Russia, Romania, China, India, etc. who come here on worker visas will work for less. $50k is a fortune in Romania, but do you think an American engineer will be happy to make that?

We bring in so many foreign engineers in this country that the kids studying engineering in American universities can't get jobs. So a lot of kids aren't choosing engineering anymore. My husband, who is an aerospace engineer, says he would never advise a college student in the U.S. today to study engineering - our country's companies just don't want to hire American engineers anymore. Proof: it took more than 10 years for my husband to get an engineering job in aerospace, first at a government contractor, but finally at Boeing (after applying for various positions within the company over 14 years). He has engineering degrees from one of the best engineering schools (Michigan), a MBA, post-grad experience from a year study in Russia, and he's one of the smartest people I've ever met...he's seriously a genius. When he finally got to Boeing, he met all the foreign contractors he was competing with for jobs. Not only do they have less education than him, but they have no emotional investment in the company they're working for or the country they're working in. They're all here to make a tidy sum, then go back to their home countries where they can live rich and use the information and experience gained at America's largest exporter against us. It really infuriates him, and me. Same thing happens at all the technology companies.

Dey Turk yeeerr job! If you think it's bad now, just wait til immigration "reform" makes it easier for even more foreign labor to flood the market.

[DeltaBetaBaby]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Dey Turk yeeerr job! If you think it's bad now, just wait til immigration "reform" makes it easier for even more foreign labor to flood the market.

No, they are not taking our jobs, they are coming here to be educated and then going home, because the job opportunities for PhD's in other countries are better than those here.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

ETA: Promised myself I'd be in bed early but I'm dying to hear the tea party response.

If it was Michelle Bachmann's response it was pre-recorded so I wouldn't bother. Also it doesn't seem like much of a response that way. Unless they changed their mind about that.

Originally Posted by Kappamd

My fiance is FLIPPING OUT about the comment that we ship away foreign graduates. He is in one of the top 10 graduate programs in his area of study, and is one of the only American students. He says that EVERY SINGLE foreign student came here to study with ZERO intention of staying here to work. And I believe it; it's a pretty sweet deal.

Wonder if this is a bit of a chicken or the egg thing. If the only realistic way to stay here is often to marry a citizen or be in a VERY specialized field (or get hired by an employer willing to jump a lot of hoops) then most people probably don't plan on staying in the first place so the people who do come aren't those who would like to stay. Perhaps.

Anecdotal evidence time: my big's husband stayed in the country following his graduation and has continued to work on his green card. So it clearly does happen both ways, I'd be curious about the numbers.