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12-20-2010, 08:46 PM
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Cutting groups if you don't have to/not looking at a group as many times as you are able to is just plain stupid and closed-minded.
Re Mal, just because they were founded on those values doesn't mean Christians can't join, or that every girl in it is Jewish. The philanthropies that both historically Jewish sororities embrace are not anti-Christian, and I'm guessing that their initiation ceremonies do not consist of everyone dancing around saying JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH, NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH.
Re Saito and Eames, you need to look beyond reputation and/or size. If you don't, you could end up cheating yourself out of true sisterhood and picking a sorority for extremely shallow reasons. Or being cut altogether because you thought you didn't "fit" a group. Honestly, the sisters often know better than you do where you fit.
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12-20-2010, 11:36 PM
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Re Mal, just because they were founded on those values doesn't mean Christians can't join, or that every girl in it is Jewish. The philanthropies that both historically Jewish sororities embrace are not anti-Christian, and I'm guessing that their initiation ceremonies do not consist of everyone dancing around saying JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH, NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH.
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Actually, we do do that in AEPhi. Who told you?!
Seriously, I don't think there's anything in our ritual and practices that would offend non-Jews. When I was an active, my chapter had plenty of Jewish sisters, of course, but also a lot of sisters of various Christian denominations, and a Hindu.
To the OP, unless you are limited in the number of chapters you can RSVP to, why not list them all? Mal and Saito might surprise you.
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12-21-2010, 02:26 AM
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Actually, we do do that in AEPhi. Who told you?! 
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Ha! I knew it!
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Seriously, I don't think there's anything in our ritual and practices that would offend non-Jews. When I was an active, my chapter had plenty of Jewish sisters, of course, but also a lot of sisters of various Christian denominations, and a Hindu.
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In 2010, aren't 100% Jewish chapters of AEPhi more of the exception rather than the norm?
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12-21-2010, 01:02 PM
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Re Mal, just because they were founded on those values doesn't mean Christians can't join, or that every girl in it is Jewish. The philanthropies that both historically Jewish sororities embrace are not anti-Christian, and I'm guessing that their initiation ceremonies do not consist of everyone dancing around saying JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH, NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH.
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Hmm, it's more of the other way around, actually.
I'm not sure how to phrase this discreetly and without sounding like my priorities in choosing a sorority might not be in order, but when a social group tries to dictate what I can and can't do in my social time and my private life, I am not down with that. And even though I believe that non-Christians are allowed to join Mal, their principles as an organization make it clear that a certain amount of grooviness with Jesus is expected. Mal is definitely out of the question for me.
I've been talking to a couple of my friends about Saito, at least one of them is going to list Saito, and reading this thread and knowing what I know from recruitment stories around here, I've decided I am going to keep them on my list. I am not expecting to change my mind, but I'm trying to keep it open. Thanks for the input, everyone.
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12-21-2010, 01:17 PM
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Hmm, it's more of the other way around, actually.
I'm not sure how to phrase this discreetly and without sounding like my priorities in choosing a sorority might not be in order, but when a social group tries to dictate what I can and can't do in my social time and my private life, I am not down with that. And even though I believe that non-Christians are allowed to join Mal, their principles as an organization make it clear that a certain amount of grooviness with Jesus is expected. Mal is definitely out of the question for me.
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I can respect that. While I think keeping an open mind is crucial, I think trying to jam a square peg in a round hole can be an act of futility. And it's not as if you're nixing half of your options from the get-go.
Also, I will need to find a way to use the phrase "a certain amount of grooviness with Jesus" today. It amuses me greatly.
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12-21-2010, 05:04 PM
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Hmm, it's more of the other way around, actually.
I'm not sure how to phrase this discreetly and without sounding like my priorities in choosing a sorority might not be in order, but when a social group tries to dictate what I can and can't do in my social time and my private life, I am not down with that. And even though I believe that non-Christians are allowed to join Mal, their principles as an organization make it clear that a certain amount of grooviness with Jesus is expected. Mal is definitely out of the question for me.
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Just so you are aware that the Jesus Is My Homeboy vibe is strictly a chapter thing (that could conceivably change with a pledge class or two) and not a national thing. We've all got a few chapters who roll like that, and as it cuts WAY down on risk management, it's doubtful their national will ever call them on it - even if they are teetering on the line of discrimination where membership selection is concerned.
Unless, of course, this is a local sorority who straight up is founded as a Christian group. Which as BraveMaroon said, is light years away from having what are considered Christian ideals.
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12-21-2010, 02:58 PM
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...I'm guessing that their initiation ceremonies do not consist of everyone dancing around saying JESUS IS NOT THE MESSIAH, NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH NYAH.
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...their principles as an organization make it clear that a certain amount of grooviness with Jesus is expected.
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I love these posts.
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