The most weird or stupid news story you heard today.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

But what is the risk, here? How many of these procedures have mishaps, out of the who knows how many performed every day? I guess my take is, is it really that big of a deal? Were there an equivalent surgery for females (that basically everyone in the country has done, is safe) I don't think I'd feel any differently.

Would you support removing the clitoral hood if everyone did it? Or is it just because everyone does it that you have no problem with it. What if every female infant got a nose job, no anesthetic, low risk of complications. Would that be ok? Why is that different?

What if it was removal of the ear lobe or cutting some skin between the toes?

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Well the same can be said for circumcision in regards to HIV/AIDS. Ultimately I don't think the gov should make circumcisions illegal, It should be up to the parents no matter what their reasoning is or isn't.

Circumcision does provide protection for heterosexual males when it comes to HIV/AIDS, however nothing like being vaccinated does/would. And condoms in the US are more effective and generally affordable, unlike in Africa. And heterosexual males are not our biggest concern with the spread of AIDS as it is in Africa.

Parents are not circumcising their children with HIV in mind. Does that make it wrong? Not necessarily, but we can't pretend that it's not a weird cultural thing that we're doing here.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Parents are not circumcising their children with HIV in mind. Does that make it wrong? Not necessarily, but we can't pretend that it's not a weird cultural thing that we're doing here.

So we should make it illegal then????

Don't mistake me for being pro or anti circumcision because I could really care less and I believe it's the parents choice. I'm taking issue solely with the fact that they want to make it illegal.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Would you support removing the clitoral hood if everyone did it? Or is it just because everyone does it that you have no problem with it. What if every female infant got a nose job, no anesthetic, low risk of complications. Would that be ok? Why is that different?

What if it was removal of the ear lobe or cutting some skin between the toes?



Circumcision does provide protection for heterosexual males when it comes to HIV/AIDS, however nothing like being vaccinated does/would. And condoms in the US are more effective and generally affordable, unlike in Africa. And heterosexual males are not our biggest concern with the spread of AIDS as it is in Africa.

Parents are not circumcising their children with HIV in mind. Does that make it wrong? Not necessarily, but we can't pretend that it's not a weird cultural thing that we're doing here.

As I said, I don't think I'd object to a comparable operation. A nose job IMO is more complicated and certainly more risky, with a longer recovery time. That isn't a good comparison. I don't know if the clitoral hood is a good comparison. Would that have the same result? Would it be less painful, and would the recovery time be the same? The same goes for an ear lobe, or cutting skin between the toes, especially as neither of those even have hygiene as a weak defense. But I suppose that no, I wouldn't object to that either were it comparable on the amount of pain, recovery time, risk, etc. and if it were something almost everyone in America chose for their children.

Basically, if it's a societal norm with little risk of negative effects (both physically and mentally), I don't see the big deal.