AL Teen Missing in Aruba

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I don't know what your post has to do with mine. You think I am typing specifically to and about you. I am talking about victimology and simply used your post as a foundation.

Did anyone say she doesn't deserve the sympathy? Do you know what victimology is?

. Heaven forbid I thought that from your response in which you quoted my post. Yes, I understand what victimology is. Obviously, that is not the objective lens through which I see this story.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

. Heaven forbid I thought that from your response in which you quoted my post.

You now understand that you don't have to keep explaining how you know her and why you feel a certain way about the topic. What you said about Holloway isn't exclusive to you, hence my initial post in which I used your post as a foundation for a general statement on people's reactions.

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Obviously, that is not the objective lens through which I see this story.

You don't see this story through an objective lens.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

You now understand that you don't have to keep explaining how you know her and why you feel a certain way about the topic. What you said about Holloway isn't exclusive to you, hence my initial post in which I used your post as a foundation for a general statement on people's reactions.



You don't see this story through an objective lens.

You do realize that you don't have the final say on what people post, yes?

Correct. It is obvious that I do not, and therefore am not looking at this in connection to victimology.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

You do realize that you don't have the final say on what people post, yes?

Look, if you want to assume that you need to explain your association with Holloway and how you feel about Holloway, have at it. Just don't assume that my posts are talking about you.

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

Correct. It is obvious that I do not, and therefore am not looking at this in connection to victimology.

Then were you being sarcastic when you said that you are looking at this through an objective lens?

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Look, if you want to assume that you need to explain your association with Holloway and how you feel about Holloway, have at it. Just don't assume that my posts are talking about you.



Then were you being sarcastic when you said that you are looking at this through an objective lens?

I do not assume that, you assume that. I simply respond to the particular post I quote. I agree to not assume, if you do the same.

I said this, "Obviously, that is not the objective lens through which I see this story." which is meant to refer to victimology as an "objective lens". I see how you could have misread it because of how it is worded. I do not see the case objectively at all, which is pretty obvious, I think.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I do not assume that, you assume that. I simply respond to the particular post I quote. I agree to not assume, if you do the same.

LOL. Back to victimology, since this isn't just about why one person feels as she/he does:

There are people who feel as though they can relate to the Holloway case. What's embedded in that is the question of which victims receive the most response based on how people can relate to them. Mainstream society is most likely to relate to victims who look like them (or fit some ideal), seemingly live like them, and people who from all accounts were perceivably "pure" prior to being victimized.

That's why saying things like "she'd be getting good grades in college" and "she was so nice" receives a certain reaction from people. Let's say she wasn't a good student and wasn't considered nice and wholesome. Is that less of a loss?

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

I said this, "Obviously, that is not the objective lens through which I see this story." which is meant to refer to victimology as an "objective lens". I see how you could have misread it because of how it is worded. I do not see the case objectively at all, which is pretty obvious, I think.

Yeah, I re-read that part of your post and see what you meant. It wasn't poorly worded. I can admit when I misinterpreted something.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

LOL. Back to victimology, since this isn't just about why one person feels as she/he does:

There are people who feel as though they can relate to the Holloway case. What's embedded in that is the question of which victims receive the most response based on how people can relate to them. Mainstream society is most likely to relate to victims who look like them (or fit some ideal), seemingly live like them, and people who from all accounts were perceivably "pure" prior to being victimized.

That's why saying things like "she'd be getting good grades in college" and "she was so nice" receives a certain reaction from people. Let's say she wasn't a good student and wasn't considered nice and wholesome. Is that less of a loss?




Yeah, I re-read that part of your post and see what you meant. It wasn't poorly worded. I can admit when I misinterpreted something.

It's not less of a loss, but she probably wouldn't get the same attention. That's just reality. What sells is what gets attention on shows like Nancy Grace and Greta I-can't-remember-her-last-name. I doubt you'll find anyone who would think it's less of a loss when you're talking about a human life, especially an innocent victim of a crime. But it doesn't sell as well.

Personally, I say those things because I believe them. On tv they say those things because it helps build the sellable profile.