Rushing a Colony after Resigning from Local Sorority

[DubaiSis]

I still think there are ways this could work, but a come to Jesus with yourself is step one, and then admitting the cold hard facts to the expansion team is step 2.

We also don't know if the existing panhellenic thinks poorly of her for having quit. Maybe they do; maybe they don't. There are a LOT of variables here we aren't hearing. She hasn't said anything negative about her local (which is the right thing to do) but they could be awful, on the verge of folding, the campus laughing stocks, big ole hazers, etc. Then her primary problem would be why she hung around so long.

But I would say, more than the other non-affiliated girls, you better have some very clear answers for them. And that isn't the answers you think they want to hear, but the ACTUAL answers. You may have just a sort of vague idea in your head that something wasn't right and you're looking for something else. A "regular" PNM could say they want to join for "sisterhood" and "involvement" which are both way too vague to actually mean anything. You are going to have to spell out your exact history and goals.

Oh, and 33girl, all 4 members of the Beatles said the same thing. All 4 of them said in interviews that at one point or another they were going to quit because the other 3 were such good friends and they felt left out.

[AOEforme]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

She hasn't said anything negative about her local (which is the right thing to do) but they could be awful, on the verge of folding, the campus laughing stocks, big ole hazers, etc. Then her primary problem would be why she hung around so long.

Sorry but I disagree.

If this had been an NPC and they had been "awful" or "on the verge of folding" or "the campus laughing stocks", you would have berated her for quitting because of those reasons. You would have said sisterhood is more important.

She took a vow to that group and broke it: it doesn't matter if they were popular or not, or a local or national.

In addition, if they were "big ole hazers", she was the president of that group of big ole hazers. Yes, some things can fly under a president's radar, but (from past experience) there are not many things which do, and we almost always find out later. And those were minor things, not the major hazing which you are insinuating.

[AlphaFrog]

If it were wn NPC group involved, there would be no discussion to be had.

[AOEforme]

Originally Posted by AlphaFrog

If it were wn NPC group involved, there would be no discussion to be had.

Right, because she wouldn't be allowed to even consider joining the colony.

I'm just saying that it shouldn't be more "OK" for her to dump a local than a national.

DubaiSis's reasoning was what bothered me.

[AlphaFrog]

Originally Posted by AOEforme

Right, because she wouldn't be allowed to even consider joining the colony.

I'm just saying that it shouldn't be more "OK" for her to dump a local than a national.

DubaiSis's reasoning was what bothered me.

I still think we're assuming a lot as far as her motives for quitting the local being the colony.

Also, I believe we have had a few girls on here asking for advice about quitting an NPC and joining a local and it was received similarity.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Thought:
Possible that the OP attempted to get her local to affiliate/be absorgbed while President and in failing decided to quit so she could affiliate solo?

From her post (which she could be spinning of course), it seems to me like she already had made the decision to quit before the colony materialized. YMMV.

Originally Posted by carnation

This campus is still seeing members quit the local to go national. During recruitment, you see clueless freshman buy into that, "You should pledge us! We're inexpensive and we've been here forever!" Then on down the line, they look around and see they're getting exactly what they've paid for and they pledge one of the NPCs.

Yes, but it is usually the exec board or people who have represented the sorority in Panhel/Greek council who are the ones quitting?

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

In your opinion. I don't think any of our national officers are "dumb" if they find that she would be an asset and take her. She might very well be an amazing potential member. IMO the main reservation here would be that she took the office of President and then quit because she thought she "didn't fit in". That sounds like a wishy-washy reason. She might have a far better one that she doesn't want to detail on the internet (which is wise, if that's the case). If I were picking colony members, "I didn't fit in" wouldn't be a good enough reason to quit, and I would therefore question her potential dedication. But who knows...there might be more to the story, and personally I can think of more valid reasons for quitting that might make a difference.

No. They would be dumb. Period. See AOEforme's post. Regardless of whether she quit the local because of the colony coming or independently of it, the fact is that she is well known on campus as a former president and representative of her local group. That immediately throws shade on the new NPC chapter, the same as it would if they took a girl who was known on campus for her anti-Greek tirades in the school paper or for running a meth lab in her dorm room. It doesn't matter how dedicated they would be...campus perception is the issue. A colony screws that up and they're always going to have to deal with it.

[carnation]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Yes, but it is usually the exec board or people who have represented the sorority in Panhel/Greek council who are the ones quitting?

33, yes, when the local first went national, a whole slate of local officers who had fought for their group to go national left their local. They had seen all the benefits and talked to the women from the nationals one-on-one and they wanted what they'd seen. Others followed within a couple of years.

Now you see a mixed bag of older and younger girls leave. It's not even like I'm comparing apples to oranges here in comparing the nationals to the local on this campus, it's more like comparing apples to...hackberries.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by carnation

33, yes, when the local first went national, a whole slate of local officers who had fought for their group to go national left their local. They had seen all the benefits and talked to the women from the nationals one-on-one and they wanted what they'd seen. Others followed within a couple of years.

If the whole local went national doesn't this naturally follow? Or do you mean that local A went with Phi Mu (just using their name so I don't get more confused) and women from local B also joined? Or ZTA formed and a bunch of women from local B joined it?

Either way, I'm not talking about then, I'm talking about NOW. Do women who have taken leadership positions in the local often quit to join one of the NPCs?

I don't think the OP's situation is similar to what was going on at your college at all. If there was a horde of other women going from local to national (and a whole system trying to transition from local to national) she most likely would have thrown that fact into her post.

[Alumiyum]

Originally Posted by 33girl

From her post (which she could be spinning of course), it seems to me like she already had made the decision to quit before the colony materialized. YMMV.



Yes, but it is usually the exec board or people who have represented the sorority in Panhel/Greek council who are the ones quitting?



No. They would be dumb. Period. See AOEforme's post. Regardless of whether she quit the local because of the colony coming or independently of it, the fact is that she is well known on campus as a former president and representative of her local group. That immediately throws shade on the new NPC chapter, the same as it would if they took a girl who was known on campus for her anti-Greek tirades in the school paper or for running a meth lab in her dorm room. It doesn't matter how dedicated they would be...campus perception is the issue. A colony screws that up and they're always going to have to deal with it.

In your opinion. Period. On some campuses, this truly wouldn't be a big deal to incoming freshman, and I don't see any case in which it's the same as taking a meth dealer.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Alumiyum

In your opinion. Period. On some campuses, this truly wouldn't be a big deal to incoming freshman, and I don't see any case in which it's the same as taking a meth dealer.

It's not just incoming freshmen you have to worry about, it's the Greek and campus community in general. If your name is mud with those people, the freshmen will pick up their attitudes and follow suit. I admit the meth dealer was an extreme example, but my point was it's all about perception.

FWIW, I don't think it's OK for the women at carnation's old school to dump the local and pledge a national either. Personally, I'd be very wary of taking someone who is from a group (local, national, regional, professional or what have you) with a reputation of hazing, especially if she was an older member. AAG put across the only reasonable scenario I can think of, quite frankly - I was pledging, didn't know what I was getting into, and once I knew I got the eff out.