Alledged Sexual Harrassment complaint on jets, followed by Clinton Portis comments

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

I grasped it and understood what you were saying. I just did not agree.

No, you didn't grasp it which prevents you from being able to agree or disagree.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

No, you didn't grasp it which prevents you from being able to agree or disagree.

I'm not the one that is still commenting on it.

I'm still having the debate because outside of this conversation nothing else is really going on in here. So I have no problem debating with somebody that disagrees because I can learn a lot from the other perspective. Now if you want to break it down further or show me where I am wrong I'm open for it. Doesn't mean I don't grasp it, prove me wrong.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

I'm not the one that is still commenting on it.

I'm still having the debate because outside of this conversation nothing else is really going on in here. So I have no problem debating with somebody that disagrees because I can learn a lot from the other perspective. Now if you want to break it down further or show me where I am wrong I'm open for it. Doesn't mean I don't grasp it, prove me wrong.

Where do we disagree?

I really would like to know.

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Where do we disagree?

I really would like to know.

Only on the extreme use of the Emmitt Till example. I understood what you were saying, I just don't believe it necessarily applies in this case.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Only on the extreme use of the Emmitt Till example. I understood what you were saying, I just don't believe it necessarily applies in this case.

That's all? Uh. Okay. What a cliff hanger.

Sooo...uh...do you see how you can rally behind a purpose without rallying behind a person?

[BluPhire]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

That's all? Uh. Okay. What a cliff hanger.

Sooo...uh...do you see how you can rally behind a purpose without rallying behind a person?

Yes.

Happens all the time.

And I see your point there.

The thing with Emmitt though is the reaction to Emmitt's whistle was fostered by an environment that felt that he was not even human and thus they had the manifest right to take his life to keep him the rest of the population in place. Which is why the outcry was so that it helped kick-start the Civil Rights movement. Regardless of who he was bad kid or good.

This woman, on the other hand, was trying to get a reaction. Was it proactive on her part? Maybe, maybe not. I lean more toward the station/culture she works for that has a history of going extreme to get a reaction. I'm sure if she worked for ESPN, ABC or any other other networks this would not even been an issue.

Because there are plenty of journalist that don't dress like Sister Savedalot, and receive a lot of respect from players and coaches as well. I pointed out to Erin Andrews, who actually took flack from one of her peers for being spied on.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

The thing with Emmitt though is the reaction to Emmitt's whistle was fostered by an environment that felt that he was not even human and thus they had the manifest right to take his life to keep him the rest of the population in place. Which is why the outcry was so that it helped kick-start the Civil Rights movement. Regardless of who he was bad kid or good.

Just to this alone, I don't agree that the whistle had anything to do with what happened to him. If you read over the case itself, it has never been proven that he ever whistled or made any motion to the woman in question but you let the majority tell it (thus my example) he did.

HOWEVER, the more important and undeniable fact was he was black and in an area where whites were dominat over the black population. (nice way of saying what I really want to say!)

Now applying this to Miss Sainz' issue is, regardless of if she said anything or said nothing at all, the undeniable fact is, she is a woman, by Western standards considered attractive, and what she wore into the locker room full of men in various states of undress, could be considered provocative.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by BluPhire

Yes.

Happens all the time.

And I see your point there.

Eureka! We don't disagree, afterall.