NYC community board OKs ground zero mosque plans

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

How do you figure? If the sole reason of thinking that 9/11 was worse than the Murrah bombing is because arabs did it, then yes.... but who really thinks like that? I'm in no way trying to diminish the tragedy in Oklahoma but it's doesn't quite stack up to the level of death and destruction we saw on 9/11 or even the aftermath. 9/11 changed this country on so many different levels.

I don't disagree with parts of this, but remember that there was (and still is) a large amount of "us versus them" involved in 9/11 - OKC wasn't done by "outsiders" while 9/11 was. OKC isn't viewed as an attack on our government (even though it was, both literally and figuratively), while 9/11 often is.

While "racism" isn't exactly the right word, there's no doubt that part of the reason why 9/11 carries so much weight (and the dreaded "TERRORISM" label, while OKC doesn't to the same extent at all) is because it was performed by Muslims. While correlation doesn't equal causation, of course, it's clear that there is prejudice involved.

The "changes" caused by 9/11 were knee-jerk and likely cosmetic - and often for the negative when not cosmetic. I mean, airline travel changes are pretty fine, but the Patriot Act? Really? Those kinds of changes aren't persuasive for me.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I don't disagree with parts of this, but remember that there was (and still is) a large amount of "us versus them" involved in 9/11 - OKC wasn't done by "outsiders" while 9/11 was. OKC isn't viewed as an attack on our government (even though it was, both literally and figuratively), while 9/11 often is.

While "racism" isn't exactly the right word, there's no doubt that part of the reason why 9/11 carries so much weight (and the dreaded "TERRORISM" label, while OKC doesn't to the same extent at all) is because it was performed by Muslims. While correlation doesn't equal causation, of course, it's clear that there is prejudice involved.

The "changes" caused by 9/11 were knee-jerk and likely cosmetic - and often for the negative when not cosmetic. I mean, airline travel changes are pretty fine, but the Patriot Act? Really? Those kinds of changes aren't persuasive for me.

Interestingly enough, while both of you bring up great points, look at some of the last few events and let's remember who were the primary suspects:

OKC was initally thought to be Muslim terrorists (again until McVeigh was caught)

The Beltway Sniper was originally thought to be an Al - Quaeda agent (oddly enough John Muhammed was an NOI Muslim but some people wouldn't care all the need to see is that he was "Muslim")

The anthrax attacks (RIGHT after 9/11) was thought to be by Al-Quaeda

heck...people were still trying to figure out if Maj. Nidal Hassan had Al-Queada ties after the Ft Hood shootings.

@Ksig...and don't forget the fun part of the Patriot Act...wiretapping!!!

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Interestingly enough, while both of you bring up great points, look at some of the last few events and let's remember who were the primary suspects:

OKC was initally thought to be Muslim terrorists (again until McVeigh was caught)

The Beltway Sniper was originally thought to be an Al - Quaeda agent (oddly enough John Muhammed was an NOI Muslim but some people wouldn't care all the need to see is that he was "Muslim")

The anthrax attacks (RIGHT after 9/11) was thought to be by Al-Quaeda

heck...people were still trying to figure out if Maj. Nidal Hassan had Al-Queada ties after the Ft Hood shootings.

@Ksig...and don't forget the fun part of the Patriot Act...wiretapping!!!

But don't forget the Ft Dix, shoe bomber, soda bottle, and panty bomber incidents.....

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I don't disagree with parts of this, but remember that there was (and still is) a large amount of "us versus them" involved in 9/11 - OKC wasn't done by "outsiders" while 9/11 was. OKC isn't viewed as an attack on our government (even though it was, both literally and figuratively), while 9/11 often is.

While "racism" isn't exactly the right word, there's no doubt that part of the reason why 9/11 carries so much weight (and the dreaded "TERRORISM" label, while OKC doesn't to the same extent at all) is because it was performed by Muslims. While correlation doesn't equal causation, of course, it's clear that there is prejudice involved.

The "changes" caused by 9/11 were knee-jerk and likely cosmetic - and often for the negative when not cosmetic. I mean, airline travel changes are pretty fine, but the Patriot Act? Really? Those kinds of changes aren't persuasive for me.

While you do have some good points I'm still going to have to disagree with you. I think that if we had two similar incidents to compare ( similar in methods, damage, deaths) with one being committed by a foreign muslim, the other being committed by a white christian citizen and the muslim ends up being "feared" more than I'd agree with you. DS made some good examples of when suspected Muslims go nuts, our knee-jerk reaction is terrorist. When non-muslims go nuts, well they are just considered nuts.

I believe that if 9/11 was carried out by domestic white christian terrorists we would have still seen the creation of DHS and the passing of the Patriot Act. No war in Afghanistan of course.

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

While you do have some good points I'm still going to have to disagree with you. I think that if we had two similar incidents to compare ( similar in methods, damage, deaths) with one being committed by a foreign muslim, the other being committed by a white christian citizen and the muslim ends up being "feared" more than I'd agree with you. DS made some good examples of when suspected Muslims go nuts, our knee-jerk reaction is terrorist. When non-muslims go nuts, well they are just considered nuts.

The bolded part is pretty much exactly my point, in a nutshell.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

The bolded part is pretty much exactly my point, in a nutshell.

it's like this:

But with terrorism.