How do I join a sorority that is colonizing this fall at FSU?

[Titchou]

Either way, colonizing pref or regular, while everyone there should be on your bid list, there are times when someone is dropped. Honest...I've seen it happen and for very good reasons.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

OK, I thought we were talking about colonizing pref and that's really not the same thing as regular pref. The chapter really isn't a chapter yet and as such doesn't have to follow regular formal rush rules. Which is why I made the comment I did and that's what I thought Titchou was talking about as well.

My understanding was that it is the bid list that is the thing that is binding on the sorority's part. We had a smallish discussion last week about when the bid lists are turned in, but I don't see how you could turn it in before pref when you never know, maybe 50 rushees will go to the Justin Bieber concert and get arrested the night before pref, and you obviously don't want to give them bids then. I really don't see how you could force a sorority to put everyone they invited to pref on their bid list - especially since

1) some pref ceremonies are part of ritual and who knows, maybe there's something in ritual that the rushee was supposed to do and didn't. Unless you know everyone's ritual you really can't stick your nose in it.

2) if groups are being forced to ask rushees back up to and including pref and rushees can't reject the invitation, it's basically telling chapters with lower return rates that they HAVE to take the women. They could pitch a bitch and say that Panhellenic is overstepping and denying them the right to select members as an individual organization.

This all being said, you should (you being a normal chapter, not a bunch of women from national HQ) cut them loose before pref if you don't want them to join.

I don't know about colonization processes because I suspect they're outside of the normal rules as far as pref goes. However for the sake of formal recruitment pref, the people running recruitment - chairs, VPs, alumnae etc. - should know that anyone who attends pref is expected to be on the bid list. (I have no idea what it would take to make an exception, however we can assume the Bieber arrestees would be in jail and miss pref thus saving us the trouble.)

1) I don't know how there would be something that a PNM is supposed to do at pref but didn't that would disqualify them from membership. That doesn't make any sense to me ritual or not. The PNM isn't any more aware of ritual than I am.

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2) Even though RFM recommends not releasing any PNMs for smaller/weaker chapters those chapters can and do still release people. Panhel has no say about what goes on in MS.

But I agree with you on the last. Carrying them to pref if you don't want them is bad form.

Originally Posted by Titchou

Either way, colonizing pref or regular, while everyone there should be on your bid list, there are times when someone is dropped. Honest...I've seen it happen and for very good reasons.

Maybe so, but you're talking about extreme exceptions, not rules. Whether given permission or a whether a chapter that violates policy, it would be VERY VERY rare in the grand scheme of things.

[Barbie's_Rush]

Originally Posted by Titchou

Either way, colonizing pref or regular, while everyone there should be on your bid list, there are times when someone is dropped. Honest...I've seen it happen and for very good reasons.

There are situations where this can't happen. A campus with guaranteed placement is one of them. Yes, you might put Patti McBitchipants at the very bottom of your list or try to drop her after she does something horrible at your pref party. But if she didn't have any other pref parties or she was at the bottom of everyone else's list and you're the chapter few pnms are ranking as their top choices, guess who is getting Patti? Chapters on campuses with GP need to be sure that they would be ok with every single pnm they invite to their pref party before they give out their invites.

And this has nothing to do with colonization of course, but I think this needs to be clarified since it was mentioned here.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Barbie's_Rush

There are situations where this can't happen. A campus with guaranteed placement is one of them. Yes, you might put Patti McBitchipants at the very bottom of your list or try to drop her after she does something horrible at your pref party. But if she didn't have any other pref parties or she was at the bottom of everyone else's list and you're the chapter few pnms are ranking as their top choices, guess who is getting Patti? Chapters on campuses with GP need to be sure that they would be ok with every single pnm they invite to their pref party before they give out their invites.

And this has nothing to do with colonization of course, but I think this needs to be clarified since it was mentioned here.

Can Low-Tier Lambda drop Patti McB - that is, not invite her to pref - or does Panhel compel them to invite a certain number of rushees back to every party including pref? Because if I get it right, what GP guarantees is if the rushee follows through and goes to all the parties she's invited to, she gets a bid. The onus is on her, not the chapters.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Can Low-Tier Lambda drop Patti McB - that is, not invite her to pref - or does Panhel compel them to invite a certain number of rushees back to every party including pref? Because if I get it right, what GP guarantees is if the rushee follows through and goes to all the parties she's invited to, she gets a bid. The onus is on her, not the chapters.

Panhel gives them the numbers that are recommended by RFM. Even if a chapter is recommended not to drop anyone, they can still drop people. Grade risks and people who walk in and go "I hate you" are probably first to go. I don't know of any campus where panhel can compel a chapter to take PNMs back, although apparently some may pressure chapters based on some posts here.

Like BR said, Pref is where you have to draw that line and say yes or no.

[fantASTic]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Panhel gives them the numbers that are recommended by RFM. Even if a chapter is recommended not to drop anyone, they can still drop people. Grade risks and people who walk in and go "I hate you" are probably first to go. I don't know of any campus where panhel can compel a chapter to take PNMs back, although apparently some may pressure chapters based on some posts here.

Like BR said, Pref is where you have to draw that line and say yes or no.

They can't force you. What they CAN do is call you over and over, telling you that if you don't put someone back on your list then you'll NEVER MAKE QUOTA AND NEVER MAKE TOTAL AND YOUR CHAPTER WILL BE GONE NEXT YEAR OMG.

I don't think the GAs should be able to comment on your list at all, unless asked.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

They can't force you. What they CAN do is call you over and over, telling you that if you don't put someone back on your list then you'll NEVER MAKE QUOTA AND NEVER MAKE TOTAL AND YOUR CHAPTER WILL BE GONE NEXT YEAR OMG.

I don't think the GAs should be able to comment on your list at all, unless asked.

Sore subject? But yes I totally agree. The bigger issue comes when your HQ is giving you that speech (that would be the same HQ that hasn't seen Susy McSluttipants screw her way through 5 dorms). In either instance, you just need to stick to your guns.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by fantASTic

They can't force you. What they CAN do is call you over and over, telling you that if you don't put someone back on your list then you'll NEVER MAKE QUOTA AND NEVER MAKE TOTAL AND YOUR CHAPTER WILL BE GONE NEXT YEAR OMG.

I don't think the GAs should be able to comment on your list at all, unless asked.

Ah so annoying, but not forced. I kind of get it in that some HQs/campuses/chapters are more number focused than others and they may not get it if you're NOT. But they should respect the chapter's wishes.