Nebraskan city to hold immigration vote

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I don't like the term, " Doing jobs Americans won't do", because I don't feel like thts the case. I think they are getting paid wages that Americans can't survive on. I think if these so called unwanted jobs paid 11-13 dollars an hour you would see more US citizens applying for them. If we make everyone legal and give them the protection of labor laws and higher wages, who's to say the demand for migrant workers will be there anymore.

That's because so many Americans try to live beyond their means. And yes, there are a LOT of jobs that many refuse to take due to the wages...been to your local fast food joint lately? Seen any changes? Not just in racial make up but age range of those working the counter?? Not teens anymore.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

That's because so many Americans try to live beyond their means. And yes, there are a LOT of jobs that many refuse to take due to the wages...been to your local fast food joint lately? Seen any changes? Not just in racial make up but age range of those working the counter?? Not teens anymore.

You think you can live on a minimum wage job? Or even two minimum wage jobs? Good luck.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

You think you can live on a minimum wage job? Or even two minimum wage jobs? Good luck.

Oh...I agree with you Drole...but some of these jobs that are low paying that American's won't take, immigrants have taken and somehow stretched that money because they aren't pressed about trying to 'be like the jones'.

Not saying that you have to live 'well' , but I do think for some this may be a lesser of 2 evils...not to mention you have some people that actually pool their resources together to get by...most of them are doing what we try to do by ourselves.

Another small point you brought up...the issue with social security...I am thinking...and correct me if I am wrong...but with at least an SSN, you can probably take a change and get an above minimum wage job and not have to worry too much about working under the table....til you get caught.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Oh...I agree with you Drole...but some of these jobs that are low paying that American's won't take, immigrants have taken and somehow stretched that money because they aren't pressed about trying to 'be like the jones'.

Not saying that you have to live 'well' , but I do think for some this may be a lesser of 2 evils...not to mention you have some people that actually pool their resources together to get by...most of them are doing what we try to do by ourselves.

Another small point you brought up...the issue with social security...I am thinking...and correct me if I am wrong...but with at least an SSN, you can probably take a change and get an above minimum wage job and not have to worry too much about working under the table....til you get caught.

Minimum wage isn't under the table though, it's absolutely unlivable. You need job skills to get a job over the table, and most Mexican immigrants are not highly educated.

There's a reason why there's a stereotype of illegal immigrants living in large numbers within a tiny apartment or home. Pooling money make things possible. Also manual labor CAN pay fairly well instead of paying under minimum, some employers will just pay under the fair wage instead. Still a rip off.

It's possible to squeak by if you have 2 minimum wage jobs and a shitty apartment and just you and your spouse. Varies based on where you live, but you pretty much need some sort of assistance/charity to do more than that. (Not to mention ER bills if you get sick/hurt.)

I actually recommend the episode of 30 days on this issue.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Minimum wage isn't under the table though, it's absolutely unlivable. You need job skills to get a job over the table, and most Mexican immigrants are not highly educated.

There's a reason why there's a stereotype of illegal immigrants living in large numbers within a tiny apartment or home. Pooling money make things possible. Also manual labor CAN pay fairly well instead of paying under minimum, some employers will just pay under the fair wage instead. Still a rip off.

It's possible to squeak by if you have 2 minimum wage jobs and a shitty apartment and just you and your spouse. Varies based on where you live, but you pretty much need some sort of assistance/charity to do more than that. (Not to mention ER bills if you get sick/hurt.)

I actually recommend the episode of 30 days on this issue.

Goticha...wasn't trying to combine mw and under the table...just adding it in to the point in general.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Goticha...wasn't trying to combine mw and under the table...just adding it in to the point in general.

Yeah I understand.