Arizona governor signs immigration bill

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

To get into the US on a Visa you a) are brought in by a family member, there is a long ass line
b) are highly skilled in some field, being a doctor, a scientist, an engineer, particular professions that are highly desired, this requires a job offer from an employer*
c) you sign up for the lottery (individuals from certain countries need not apply)
d) you're a refugee (but only so many of you get in)
e) tiny numbers of very specialized other cases including non-clergy religious etc.

*there are 10k "Unskilled labor" positions available, of which no more than 7% of the total - 700 - can go to one single country. This includes any dependents that the individual may bring. So what, 200 unskilled Mexican laborers per year? Maybe? Assuming a family size of 3.

This shows the back logs for the types of Visas, the feds don't even report the unskilled backlog. Permanent Resident Card

More resources for you: How hard is it to immigrate?
How long does it take to get a green card

TL,DR: If you don't have a job, a family member who's a citizen or have 500k to drop, you're SOL

I know about general Visa requirements, I wanted to see where it says that it's harder for a Mexican than a Somalian, Brazilian, Saudi, German, Indian, etc to immigrate to the U.S.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I know about general Visa requirements, I wanted to see where it says that it's harder for a Mexican than a Somalian, Brazilian, Saudi, German, Indian, etc to immigrate to the U.S.

I've laid out all the reasons right there, there aren't country quotas anymore, but take a poor country with low education and high population, 5-10 year backlog (per the feds themselves, I'm happy for your buddy but it's rarely that easy) on family visas for anyone other than the spouse of a citizen, and prohibition from joining the random lottery and there's every reason in the world to jump the very very long line if you can since they usually do find work here.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I've laid out all the reasons right there, there aren't country quotas anymore, but take a poor country with low education and high population, 5-10 year backlog (per the feds themselves, I'm happy for your buddy but it's rarely that easy) on family visas for anyone other than the spouse of a citizen, and prohibition from joining the random lottery and there's every reason in the world to jump the very very long line if you can since they usually do find work here.

What would you like to see happen? Would you like the U.S. to be the only industrialized nation in the world with no immigration laws?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

What would you like to see happen? Would you like the U.S. to be the only industrialized nation in the world with no immigration laws?

Don't go to the absurd.

I think it should be easier to immigrate the US legally.

Whether that means removing control of access to visas from corruption in other countries, removing the 7% limit, decreasing the cost, processing the backlog or all of the above, I don't know. I do know the current system promotes illegal immigration and I do believe that making immigration MORE difficult is the wrong way to go.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Don't go to the absurd.

I think it should be easier to immigrate the US legally.

Whether that means removing control of access to visas from corruption in other countries, removing the 7% limit, decreasing the cost, processing the backlog or all of the above, I don't know. I do know the current system promotes illegal immigration and I do believe that making immigration MORE difficult is the wrong way to go.

Not going the absurd at all, just trying to see where you're coming from. I've heard many people seriously propose open border immigration policy, specifically for Mexico as well as completely sealing off the country and ending immigration completely.

But back to the original discussion do you support this law on the basis that this law would NOT promote illegal immigration, instead, it would most likely deter illegal immigration into the U.S?