Arizona governor signs immigration bill

[Drolefille]

My friends lived here their whole lives, and they're only an example. We as a nation have historically and presently encouraged immigration and removing the right of citizenship to individuals born here discourages naturalization and encourages legal immigrants to return home, taking money and education with them. It would have been a bad idea in the past, it's a bad idea now.

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

In a perfect world, yes. Citizenship by fraud is way too common but because of Jus Solis anyone born here is a citizen and cannot be deported.


It's no more difficult for an Asian to immigrate here than it is for a South American. Yes, it does cost money to immigrate but we don't charge certain ethnicities more than others. I'd actually say Mexicans have the advantage over others when it comes to immigration because they can just say hell to the Visas and inspections and sneak over.

I fail to see how fraud is related to the rights of children born in this country. They didn't commit fraudulent acts.

We charge a hell of a lot of money to everyone.

Originally Posted by epchick

Actually that is definitely NOT true. I don't know about South Americans, but it is very difficult for Mexicans to immigrate here legally, which is why they chose to cross illegally.

Why should they wait 5-10 years (if they are lucky) to get a Visa, when they can just hop the fence? If the US wants to really calm the influx of immigrants, then maybe they should start assisting with the Visa process, instead of letting the corrupt Mexican government handle it.

The last numbers I heard, even if you are in the US and you want to bring your family in, you're looking at 15+ years. And that's supposed to be the easiest part of the immigration process.

Currently individuals from Mexico are not even eligible for the random lottery which is only 55k visas per year.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

removing the right of citizenship to individuals born here discourages naturalization and encourages legal immigrants to return home, taking money and education with them. It would have been a bad idea in the past, it's a bad idea now.


The last numbers I heard, even if you are in the US and you want to bring your family in, you're looking at 15+ years. And that's supposed to be the easiest part of the immigration process.

Currently individuals from Mexico are not even eligible for the random lottery which is only 55k visas per year.

I don't see how this proposed law would encourage legal immigrants to return home when it doesn't affect them. AFAIK these proposed changes to the Jus Soli laws only affects children born to illegal immigrants. If you're here legally and have a child, that child will be a citizen.

For the 15+ years to get your family in, I'm not sure where you got that number but it's an either an exaggeration or you are talking about extreme cases. A buddy of mine just got his wife over and it took him about 5 months, and people who adopt overseas don't spend 15 years for their adopted baby to come over. Some petitions do get revoked because of legal issues such as prior deportation of said family member ( if you are deported you are banned from re- entering for a certain amount of time), which if thats the case then yes, it can take up to 15 years.