2009/2010 Risk Management Charter Revocations and Suspensions

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Sorority membership is for life.

Except when national headquarters prevents that.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Except when national headquarters prevents that.

No, usually it's "unless you do something that gets you expelled."

The collegiate chapter's suspension does not prohibit them from joining an alumna chapter/club when they're out of school.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No, usually it's "unless you do something that gets you expelled."

"Except when national headquarters prevents that" means member member expulsion, member suspension, or member probation. Member suspension and probation prevent members from being active/financial until the time period and/or fine have been fulfilled. Chapters are not the only things that can be suspended or placed on probation.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

"Except when national headquarters prevents that" means member member expulsion, member suspension, or member probation. Member suspension and probation prevent members from being active/financial until the time period and/or fine have been fulfilled. Chapters are not the only things that can be suspended or placed on probation.

I don't see how any of that doesn't involve the person being responsible for their membership. Probation and Suspension are temporary and also do not interfere with "for life" unless the person chooses not to resolve it.

I just object to the idea that it's HQ's fault that you're not a member which seems to be what you're suggesting.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

No, usually it's "unless you do something that gets you expelled."

The collegiate chapter's suspension does not prohibit them from joining an alumna chapter/club when they're out of school.

Oh, come on. We all know that's not the same thing and very cold comfort to an initiated freshman who can't join another group and has to go through the rest of her collegiate career watching other Greeks have fun at Greek week, mixers, meetings, philanthropies etc.

There are very few 18 year old women who join sororities to do the kind of activities that alumnae chapters do.

Also, JMO, that press release really needs reworded. Why would the university suspend the chapter according to Phi Mu's national policies? How do they even know what Phi Mu's national policies are?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Oh, come on. We all know that's not the same thing and very cold comfort to an initiated freshman who can't join another group and has to go through the rest of her collegiate career watching other Greeks have fun at Greek week, mixers, meetings, philanthropies etc.

There are very few 18 year old women who join sororities to do the kind of activities that alumnae chapters do.

Also, JMO, that press release really needs reworded. Why would the university suspend the chapter according to Phi Mu's national policies? How do they even know what Phi Mu's national policies are?

No, it's not. I get that. But if she's dreamed of Phi Mu and wants to stay involved, she can. It's not supposed to make up for what was lost, that was the punishment for whatever the chapter was doing. It sucks, but the people to be angry at are the people in the chapter participating in the actions. (As much as people protest innocence, I'd say its rare that truly innocent chapters are given 4 year suspensions. Not impossible but rare.)

And generally you can't join the alum chapter until after you graduate anyway.

I assumed because it was Phi Mu's press release the "why" was worded in their language. The line before it indicates that there may have been a University "value" that was violated - one I assume is agreed to by their presence on campus and existence as a student org. But obviously not enough detail to be sure.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Also, JMO, that press release really needs reworded. Why would the university suspend the chapter according to Phi Mu's national policies? How do they even know what Phi Mu's national policies are?

The general rule is that many college and university policies "override" (for lack of a better word) national policies.

The university may have communicated with a chapter advisor and other representative of the sorority beyond the chapter. That's how Greek Life tends to know what the policies for GLOs are--not to mention that some Greek Life offices get direct correspondence with the written hazing and academic policies, etc.

[phimu10gammachi]

Originally Posted by Sirfie1487

I'd like to know where you got your information from. As a sister of Gamma Chi, we were not even aloud to discuss the charges against our chapter. We were not even told the full story of what we were being charged with so, I'd like to know how you found out this. And discussing it on this website was rude and disrespectful, a lot of members don't even fully understand what has happened to the chapter still. I think it was rude for you to post it to the public to see, it is not an issue concerning them nor you. This is a Gamma Chi issue concerning individuals and nations.
Sorry to come across rude, but this is a touchy subject for all Gamma Chi's especially members as myself who, as a legacy, dreamed of being a Phi Mu since the day my sister joined and feel cheated our of my experience in Phi Mu.

i totally agree. a lot of members were also left out of the loop, and i (also as a fellow sister) don't appreciate your "help" by putting this on the internet to see. so next time you feel like "helping" someone, then you can think about what if it was YOUR sorority and then maybe you will rethink your decision. thanks.

btw i am not directing this at sirfie, i am directing at the person she was replying to. thanks.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by phimu10gammachi

i totally agree. a lot of members were also left out of the loop, and i (also as a fellow sister) don't appreciate your "help" by putting this on the internet to see. so next time you feel like "helping" someone, then you can think about what if it was YOUR sorority and then maybe you will rethink your decision. thanks.

btw i am not directing this at sirfie, i am directing at the person she was replying to. thanks.

Um newsflash for you, but Phi Mu IS her sorority.

[phimu10gammachi]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Um newsflash for you, but Phi Mu IS her sorority.

um then newsflash for you, then if she was a true phi mu, then she would be trying to help us and not hurt us. after all we are sisters and should be treated with respect. that was not respect and i sense bitterness from you too. and if her chapter went down, then i would hope that she would want love and support also. after all we are supposed to be molding our lives by our three ideals LOVE HONOR AND TRUTH right?

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by phimu10gammachi

um then newsflash for you, then if she was a true phi mu, then she would be trying to help us and not hurt us. after all we are sisters and should be treated with respect. that was not respect and i sense bitterness from you too. and if her chapter went down, then i would hope that she would want love and support also. after all we are supposed to be molding our lives by our three ideals LOVE HONOR AND TRUTH right?

Bitterness from me? Wtf? What do I have to be bitter about? And how did she hurt you by posting what appears to be an official press release from Phi Mu Fraternity?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by phimu10gammachi

um then newsflash for you, then if she was a true phi mu, then she would be trying to help us and not hurt us. after all we are sisters and should be treated with respect. that was not respect and i sense bitterness from you too. and if her chapter went down, then i would hope that she would want love and support also. after all we are supposed to be molding our lives by our three ideals LOVE HONOR AND TRUTH right?

She's still a Phi Mu.

And the bolded.. just uncalled for.