New SCOTUS nominee

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

You don't need judicial experience to know if something is against the Constitution or not. And I honestly think the SG is a better choice then a lower court judge for SCOTUS anyway. And people consider this. Obama probably based his decision for her for both SG and SCOTUS on his first hand knowledge of her. So are you telling me that the opinion of a legitimate Constitutional scholar isn't good enough for you? Not aimed at you Drolefille BTW.

It's cool.

And AGDee, isn't it exhausting?

[AGDee]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

It's cool.

And AGDee, isn't it exhausting?

I'm not sure why I bother...lol. Oh yeah, it beats writing a paper for my cryptography class.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by AGDee

I'm not sure why I bother...lol. Oh yeah, it beats writing a paper for my cryptography class.

Hehe. I note that our original "she's obviously gay" person can't defend herself either.

It's like their assumptions are being challenged and they're finding out they're baseless!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Hehe. I note that our original "she's obviously gay" person can't defend herself either.

It's like their assumptions are being challenged and they're finding out they're baseless!

Because this is when people claim they are above the argumentative, childish, and snarky antics of the GC regulars.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Because this is when people claim they are above the argumentative, childish, and snarky antics of the GC regulars.

Followed by the ~*Flounce*~

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Your combination of the "lesbo" comment and the "she's a man" one implied that you might have difficulty with the concept.
I dont.
The concept of looking gay is funny to you but you believe it? You laugh at your own jokes a lot?
I laugh when the mood strikes me. The concept of looking gay does amuse me from time to time for reasons I didnt list here.
So masculine gay males and feminine lesbian women don't exist? Or they're just not fitting the "funny" sterotype in your head? It's not funny to me because it's outright wrong.
I never said anyhting of the like. It'd just be much more difficult to equate them with being gay than it would with someone who is male and very feminine or female and very masculine. If I were playing guess the sexuality (I guess Im the only one who sees the humor in actually playing the game as it relates to the nom of a potential SCOTUS) I'd go with lesbo. Its just my guess. Doesnt make her gay or not.


Your argument is the sexist equivalent of "You have a problem because you see the racism in what I'm saying, not because I'm saying something racist."
Its simply not sexisist to say that she looks gay to me and if we're placing bets on her sexuality im going with gay. I could see if I said she's gay because she's ugly or 50 and single or childless. I think she appears gay because she has many similarities to gay women I've experienced in her age group, gender, and race now that I think about it.
I'm complaining about the use of "gay" or go help us "Lesbo" (SERIOUSLY?) because it is being used AS a slur. That is wrong. So is assuming you know someone's sexual orientation based on their looks.
Also, women can buy into sexism, gay people can buy into heterosexism, and so on. Either you're doing it intentionally or you're unaware, either way it's still coming from your fingers.
Um, I definitely didnt use either gay or lesbo as a slur. Are they slurs now because I definitely didnt get the memo? I know homosexual is the PC term, but I've never viewed gay or lesbo as a slur. I never claimed to know. Im just saying that given just her looks and mannerisms etc. I'd vote gay. It saw RuPaul for the first time and thought he looked gay. I thought Ricky Martin and Clay Aiken looked gay (turned out they were. *gasp* shocking lol.) Maybe There's a new definition of sexism but Im not saying she's less than or not equal to a man because she's a woman nor am I saying she should be at home tending to her husband. Im saying she looks gay to me. Her social role and her sexuality arent the same thing.


No one 'looks gay' unless they're making out with someone of the same sex right in front of you. That's looking gay.
Thats gay. lol.


the only thing "gay" about a "gay lifestyle" is the "loving/engaging in sexual acts with someone of the same sex." Everything else is "a lifestyle." So, you believe that people who are gay can choose to be celibate, not "choose not to live a gay lifestyle." I don't think that should be forced or expected of anyone who doesn't freely choose it.

I meant what I said. To say that gay people can choose to be celibate imo is to trivialize gay relationships as they are about more than sex. I believe that gay people can choose not to practice a gay lifestyle (ie: not date same sex, have relationships, or have sex) and that choice is different than the choice to actually be attracted to the same sex.

[Drolefille]

I never said anyhting of the like. It'd just be much more difficult to equate them with being gay than it would with someone who is male and very feminine or female and very masculine. If I were playing guess the sexuality (I guess Im the only one who sees the humor in actually playing the game as it relates to the nom of a potential SCOTUS) I'd go with lesbo. Its just my guess. Doesnt make her gay or not.

It would only be difficult for someone to view a feminine woman or a masculine man as gay if they base their views off of stereotypes. Yes, you're the only one who finds it funny to play "guess the orientation." And the fact that you think you can guess is the problem.

And finally, and I feel the need to shout here: "LESBO" IS INAPPROPRIATE.

Its simply not sexisist to say that she looks gay to me and if we're placing bets on her sexuality im going with gay. I could see if I said she's gay because she's ugly or 50 and single or childless. I think she appears gay because she has many similarities to gay women I've experienced in her age group, gender, and race now that I think about it.

You're making judgments about how a straight woman looks/how a gay woman looks and much of it is based on whether or not she is making herself look in a certain way. That is at the least, heterosexist, and probably sexist.

Um, I definitely didnt use either gay or lesbo as a slur. Are they slurs now because I definitely didnt get the memo? I know homosexual is the PC term, but I've never viewed gay or lesbo as a slur.

Homosexual is disfavored outside of clinical usage. Gay or LESBIAN is the appropriate term, queer can be acceptable if the individual self-identifies that way, but I'd recommend against using it while telling people you expect them not to live their lifestyle.

You seem to be incapable of grasping the following concept: When people say she looks gay, it is 99 times out of 100 implied that gay = bad/abnormal/weird. Imagine if "gay" were replaced with your race or religion with the same implications. "Stop dressing like that, are you trying to look X"

I never claimed to know. Im just saying that given just her looks and mannerisms etc. I'd vote gay. It saw RuPaul for the first time and thought he looked gay. I thought Ricky Martin and Clay Aiken looked gay (turned out they were. *gasp* shocking lol.)

Do they "look gay?" Are they? Can your magic gaydar tell?

You have no idea what Kagan's mannerisms ARE because you have NEVER MET HER.

Maybe There's a new definition of sexism but Im not saying she's less than or not equal to a man because she's a woman nor am I saying she should be at home tending to her husband. Im saying she looks gay to me. Her social role and her sexuality arent the same thing.

Sexism is more nuanced than "get back into the kitchen."



the only thing "gay" about a "gay lifestyle" is the "loving/engaging in sexual acts with someone of the same sex." Everything else is "a lifestyle." So, you believe that people who are gay can choose to be celibate, not "choose not to live a gay lifestyle." I don't think that should be forced or expected of anyone who doesn't freely choose it.

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

I meant what I said. To say that gay people can choose to be celibate imo is to trivialize gay relationships as they are about more than sex. I believe that gay people can choose not to practice a gay lifestyle (ie: not date same sex, have relationships, or have sex) and that choice is different than the choice to actually be attracted to the same sex.

Priests are allowed to date and have relationships? Celibacy is being and remaining unmarried as well as typically encompassing avoiding sex, that involves not engaging in relationships. So you not only think people should deprive themselves of their sexual satisfaction, but that they should also deprive themselves of their emotional fulfillment and attachment and security that comes with having a partner. All to satisfy your sense of morality? Yeah I'm sure they'll get right on that.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Do they "look gay?" Are they? Can your magic gaydar tell?

I love how you picked two of the more famous none stereotypical gay celebrities.

Priests are allowed to date and have relationships?

Very off topic, but some are.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

I love how you picked two of the more famous none stereotypical gay celebrities.


Very off topic, but some are.

Shh it was on purpose. We'll see if she pays attention. That and I really don't pay attention to the sexual orientation of actors, unlike certain Newsweek writers. So half laziness, half on purpose.


And yes, but it falls under chastity not celibacy. And many priests don't take celibacy oaths, but chastity oaths which are more practically celibacy anyway even though they didn't used to be.

I'm trying to keep things as simple as possible for the sake of her actually getting it. Because I really hope she can get it.

[DaemonSeid]

I think it all comes down to what does her 'looking gay' have anything to do with her work performance. What she does on her own time should have no bearing on what she does on the government's time. Now if somebody here offering to do a make over, knock it out.

[DrPhil]

I don't believe that I.A.S.K. didn't know that "lesbo" is considered a slur and the context of her post could be perceived as bigoted and offensive. I believe she was being expressive and thought she was humorous to the point where nothing else mattered.

People go on these rants and try to save face when called out. As I said in the beginning of the thread, get out of the house more and you will learn some things. Then you will KNOW if and when you are being offensive to groups, versus claiming apathy and cluelessness. If you still choose to go on a rant, that's fine if you insist, just don't attempt to explain it away after-the-fact.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

And yes, but it falls under chastity not celibacy. And many priests don't take celibacy oaths, but chastity oaths which are more practically celibacy anyway even though they didn't used to be.

Well IIRC Latin Rite Roman Catholic priests, as well as a couple of Eastern Catholic churches in communion with Rome do require oaths of celibacy.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Well IIRC Latin Rite Roman Catholic priests, as well as a couple of Eastern Catholic churches in communion with Rome do require oaths of celibacy.

Yeah I was just thinking about it and i had it backwards. Most priests take vows of celibacy unless they're ordained through an order and then it's typically the poverty/chastity/obedience trifecta.

Thats what I get for being up late. Regardless, my original comment was simplistic intentionally.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I think it all comes down to what does her 'looking gay' have anything to do with her work performance. What she does on her own time should have no bearing on what she does on the government's time. Now if somebody here offering to do a make over, knock it out.

I agree neither her looks nor her sexual orientation affect her ability and qualifications. However I object to the concept of "looking gay" in the first place.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I don't believe that I.A.S.K. didn't know that "lesbo" is considered a slur and the context of her post could be perceived as bigoted and offensive. I believe she was being expressive and thought she was humorous to the point where nothing else mattered.

People go on these rants and try to save face when called out. As I said in the beginning of the thread, get out of the house more and you will learn some things. Then you will KNOW if and when you are being offensive to groups, versus claiming apathy and cluelessness. If you still choose to go on a rant, that's fine if you insist, just don't attempt to explain it away after-the-fact.

I cannot tell what is ignorance and what isn't, considering she kept using the term after her initial 'lol' post.

And accepting being told that you ARE being offensive instead of saying "oh no YOU have a problem since you're seeing it as offensive." It's ok to learn that way too as long as you are trying.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

Most priests take vows of celibacy unless they're ordained through an order and then it's typically the poverty/chastity/obedience trifecta.

Or unless they're Episcopal or Orthodox priests.