Miami University Pi Beta Phi Suspended

[agzg]

Originally Posted by MUGreek2011

1) The students brought their own alcohol into the center.

Well, by their spokesman's own admission, they were providing alcohol for the attendees, so basically doesn't this just boil down to them wanting to get paid while the attendees get drunk? Much the same as how baseball stadiums won't allow you to bring in anything more than peanuts and water but of course, if you want a slice of pizza or a hot pretzel they'll be more than happy to allow you to consume one in the stadium as long as you pay their price.

So with that, not a big deal at all, but something worth a little bit of punishment.

There are many other reasons why a venue may restrict what is brought onto the premesis. Not the least would be that if they provide all the alcohol, they can also cut off the alcohol when things are getting out of hand.

I'm sure that restricting sources of alcohol has much more to do with risk management rather than getting rich. Besides, most venues have similar policies because it's either required by law or required by their insurance carrier. If a person drinks themselves to oblivion then dies, injures self or others, etc., the venue would still be held partially responsible even if that person didn't drink the alcohol that they provided.

[ADqtPiMel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Here's my question: if Pi Phi is such a raging bunch of alcholic brats who drag the whole Greek community down, why have they continued to exist? Why do they keep getting good sized pledge classes? Why do fraternities continue to mix with them? Obviously the only time that anyone truly gives a shit about what they do is when they get caught and it gets Miami's name dragged through the mud.

They're a very popular chapter within a specific subset of the Greek community -- some fraternities think they're fun to mix with and the type of girls who want to hang out with those fraternities are the type of girls who pledge them.

I very much enjoyed my time as a part of the greek community at Miami. I do think I've noticed that in the four years since I graduated, behavior has changed for the worse. Maybe I'm just old now. I hope Pi Phi and Fuzzie's suspensions help everyone realize what could happen to their own chapters.

[LaneSig]

Can someone explain something that I should probably already know?
Pi Phi and Alpha Xi (I cannot force myself to call them Fuzzies. It makes me think of those people who get their kick dressing up in animal costumes and, you know...) are suspended. What is that entailing exactly? No socials, specific events or activities that they have to put on to appease the admin, etc?
Are they going to be allowed to take pledge classes next year? I did not think NPC allowed no pledge classes as a punishment.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

Can someone explain something that I should probably already know?
Pi Phi and Alpha Xi (I cannot force myself to call them Fuzzies. It makes me think of those people who get their kick dressing up in animal costumes and, you know...) are suspended. What is that entailing exactly? No socials, specific events or activities that they have to put on to appease the admin, etc?
Are they going to be allowed to take pledge classes next year? I did not think NPC allowed no pledge classes as a punishment.

The NPC doesn't allow Campus panhellenic councils to put this as a sanction. However, NPC can do nothing to stop a university from suspending a chapter and taking away their ability to participate in recruitment. MysticCat found the specifics of suspension yesterday which included no participation in campus activities as a group, no recruitment and no use of the chapter suite.

[exlurker]

An official statement is on Alpha Xi Delta HQ's site:

http://www.alphaxidelta.org/index.ph...02010&refno=77

Excerpt:

. . . We extend our apologies to the Freedom Center for this incident.

Alpha Xi Delta does not condone this behavior and, as a result, conducted an immediate investigation, and placed the chapter on probation on April 9. Terms of probation include social suspension, alcohol education, and the development of a social event checklist to ensure all appropriate measures are taken. The terms also require the chapter to hold members accountable, with appropriate membership probation or suspensions to follow. . . .

[bostongreek]

Originally Posted by LaneSig

(I cannot force myself to call them Fuzzies. It makes me think of those people who get their kick dressing up in animal costumes and, you know...)

Hah, that would be furry. And they are one... special... group of people

[Benzgirl]

Sorry everyone. I went to two universities and at both places AXiD was known as Fuzzie; some habits are hard to break.

I get what ADqtPiMel is saying about a small group within a chapter with a sense of entitlement. It only takes a bad few it give a huge bad name to the rest of the organization. Chapters at MU are not alone as this happens at other universities too.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MUGreek2011

I'll bet you're one of those people who think we shouldn't keep score in youth sports too? Everyone's a winner!


Or maybe he made a conscious decision that the call to arms to improve was more important what some uninformed, judgmental outsiders will think?


Well, that's just not true. I go there now--maybe your friend has extremely low standards, but even within the sorority system (self-selected), we all know which sororities are largely attractive and unattractive. I'm not going to name names because that's not the kinda guy I am, but rest assured there are those on both ends of the spectrum.

With all that being said, my primary reason for posting here in the first place was to defend one of Miami's greek community's greatest assets from attacks by people who knew not about what they spoke. I have no desire to spend the rest of my day going back and forth with someone who clearly doesn't know what they are talking about, so I'm going to go sit by the pool and indulge in a summer beverage instead. Cheers.

1. No, definitely not, I just think there are far better ways for pledges (male and female) to bond than taking part in a campus competition.

2. "Improvement" is not an excuse to act like a dick and call people out, especially if you're old enough to know better.

3. Apparently the apple isn't falling far from the tree.

4.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by Benzgirl

Sorry everyone. I went to two universities and at both places AXiD was known as Fuzzie; some habits are hard to break.

That's funny. My OSU friends would always be like "we think So and So is going to end up pledging Fuzzie" and I'd be like "WTF sorority is THAT?" only to find out that they were talking about Alpha Xi Delta (goes by "AZD" in Kent). Big regional difference!

[IrishLake]

We call them Alpha Xi's at Ohio Northern. looks like they're different all over ohio!

(and that flouncey cat is cute! my pre-school aged daughter has recently perfected the flounce... it's hilarious, and hard to stay mad at her when she does it.)

[als463]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

We call them Alpha Xi's at Ohio Northern. looks like they're different all over ohio!

(and that flouncey cat is cute! my pre-school aged daughter has recently perfected the flounce... it's hilarious, and hard to stay mad at her when she does it.)

One of my friends is a Theta from your chapter! She transferred to Ohio State and when I told her I was a member of a sorority she said, "I was a Theta." I said, "No, you still are a Theta." Apparently, she left on good terms but, never knew she could associate with the Theta chapter at Ohio State. I keep telling her she should get involved with an Alumnae Chapter.

[IrishLake]

Looks like it's happened again in SW Ohio, this time at University of Dayton.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...ty-705529.html

This one has yet to make huge media waves, and it appears the college will be holding individuals more responsible, even though Alpha Phi will be undergoing a disciplinary hearing soon. Some girls were gracious enough to go back to the venue and apologize face to face as well.

You know... I don't know what it is about SW Ohio recently... but it's making me wonder. Is this behavior nothing new, and it's just making public news now? Has it gotten this out of hand because GLOs havent been punished enough in the past for similar things? Is it a geographical thing? I've noticed high school parties around here make high school parties in columbus and northern ohio look like friday night bingo at the church hall. Or is it a new trend? Or is it the dates that are taking advantage of the situation (it's not THEIR organization, afterall)? Or is it just a lack of alcohol education and lessons in responsibility? Is it like this everywhere else in the US?

Probation and suspension were nothing I ever experienced in college. None of the 4 sororities at my small school would dare test the limits like this. Even the fraternities were never that bad...Sig Pi's were put on social probation for one year for having a party with kegs that didnt get registered with campus security, but that's all I can remember. I'm not saying we were goodies who never had parties... I just never saw anyone get to the point where school or National GLO discipline was needed.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

You know... I don't know what it is about SW Ohio recently... but it's making me wonder. Is this behavior nothing new, and it's just making public news now? Has it gotten this out of hand because GLOs haven't been punished enough in the past for similar things? Is it a geographical thing? I've noticed high school parties around here make high school parties in Columbus and northern Ohio look like Friday night bingo at the church hall. Or is it a new trend? Or is it the dates that are taking advantage of the situation (it's not THEIR organization, after all)? Or is it just a lack of alcohol education and lessons in responsibility? Is it like this everywhere else in the US?

These pieces from the article point to some of the issues. Not just for southwest Ohio, but nationwide.

Why the recent rash of “Greeks Gone Wild” debauchery has focused on sororities rather than fraternities is something of a mystery to college officials, but Sister Annette Schmeling, UD’s vice president for student development and dean of students, offered one possible explanation.

“If you look at national trends in alcohol consumption, women are catching up to men,” Schmeling said.

Research from the Washington University School of Medicine in St. Louis published last year in the “Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry” showed rates of binge drinking in male college students remained steady, while the rates in female college students increased dramatically. For women 21 to 23, binge drinking rose by about 40 percent, according to the study.

And this.

Schmeling said UD officials are exploring ways to cut down or eliminate the practice of “pre-gaming,” or students drinking alcohol, usually hard liquor, before going out to big events, or even for a night out. That seems to be a common thread in the most recent rash of destructive behavior...

[exlurker]

Originally Posted by IrishLake

Looks like it's happened again in SW Ohio, this time at University of Dayton.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/...ty-705529.html

This one has yet to make huge media waves, and it appears the college will be holding individuals more responsible, even though Alpha Phi will be undergoing a disciplinary hearing soon. Some girls were gracious enough to go back to the venue and apologize face to face as well.

You know... I don't know what it is about SW Ohio recently... but it's making me wonder. Is this behavior nothing new, and it's just making public news now? Has it gotten this out of hand because GLOs havent been punished enough in the past for similar things? Is it a geographical thing? I've noticed high school parties around here make high school parties in columbus and northern ohio look like friday night bingo at the church hall. Or is it a new trend? Or is it the dates that are taking advantage of the situation (it's not THEIR organization, afterall)? Or is it just a lack of alcohol education and lessons in responsibility? Is it like this everywhere else in the US?

Probation and suspension were nothing I ever experienced in college. None of the 4 sororities at my small school would dare test the limits like this. Even the fraternities were never that bad...Sig Pi's were put on social probation for one year for having a party with kegs that didnt get registered with campus security, but that's all I can remember. I'm not saying we were goodies who never had parties... I just never saw anyone get to the point where school or National GLO discipline was needed.

Oh, it's nothing new, at least over the better part of the last decade. Similar kinds of behavior at formals and other events seem to crop up
every year / semester. Some of them get lots of publicity and media attention, some don't. Some get mentioned on GC, some we GCers don't catch. But the pre-gaming, vomiting, public urination, trashing the premises, altercations with venue staff, hospitalizations . . . not surprising to hear or read about all that any more.

I'm NOT saying it's the norm. I'm NOT saying it's everywhere. I'm NOT saying I approve.

[33girl]

1. Formal dresses are less formal than they used to be and people don't care if they get alcohol on them.

2. At our formals, we did some of the drinking at the actual dinner/dance event, but anyone who drank hardcore did it in their hotel room. If buses are taking them to and fro they don't have the chance to do that.

3. People are so paranoid of letting loose on campus they think they can "get away" with it at an off campus venue. This is almost as stupid as thinking you can get with someone's boyfriend during spring break when you're all on the same trip that was scheduled through your student activities office.

4. Pregaming isn't new. The amount of it is. Our pregaming was (at the hardest) a couple shots of peach Schnapps or a few beers...not a whole bottle of SoCo.

5. Chicks are anorexic and don't eat and can't hold their liquor.