AZPHI Rush process please critic and compare

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX

as for all the required things, what are we supposed to just let everyone in? wheres the selection process, how do we determine who is dedicated and willing to further the fraternity in a positive way.

as i mentioned they have to hit a point level its super easy to get to with not much effort if at all.

Cutting out cheesy CIA interviews does not = letting everyone in. lol.

[als463]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

Cutting out cheesy CIA interviews does not = letting everyone in. lol.

I agree with KSUViolet on this one. Everyone has told you that what you are doing is hazing. I disagree with your belief that by "hazing" the pledges you are determining who will be great brothers who want to further the needs of the fraternity.

I was NOT hazed and I am very involved. I am a member of Foundation, I have held a position every year since graduation in various Alumna Chapters. I am heading to my second convention as a voting delegate. I send money to my undergraduate chapter. I have written a recommendation for a young lady who later became one of my sisters. I wear my letters every chance I get, ESPECIALLY during times when I am doing philanthropy events. I care about everything my sorority stands for and I have respect for all the other NPC GLOs who are members of National Panhellenic. I'd say I'm a decent sister, who has never given away secrets of my sorority and loves it-yet I was never hazed. What is your response to that?

[AZPHI JOURNEAUX]

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[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX

I'm opening the floor for you to explain your selection processes so we can take a look.... I'm sure we can find hazing to some degree.... someone I went through the system and didn't feel my personal felling where hurt in any way, i figured it was part of the game, to be in a community service group you might want to be active in community service. its like being on the baseball team, the selection criteria there is you have to proficiently play baseball... if it works better we can change the lighting to general florescent lights if it really means that much....

as for the tests and quizzes we are not talking about go get me this and that, its written tests. from a set informational packet.

Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX

and we have point value assigned to spending time with people in the fraternity, as i said you don't have to do everything, if you really think that a selection process like this is hazing, its all openly going on, we admit to it, and no one has ever complained. if someone voices a complaint its heard and the problem is remedied, we don't allow any physical harm to come to the pledges or for that matter the availability for it.

as for the psychological effects of a lighting change in a room, its not a interrogation, its an interview, just like those for a job. just you have a light shining in your eyes.... honest if it means enough we can change.

I honestly do not see how any of these things relate to worthiness to join a community service organization. Why not have people work together on a community service project as membership candidates, and if they massively fail at that, don't let them in. Or do X amount of community service hours and have a GPA or X.XX None of your little email tasks, light blinding interviews, or wallet door things have any relation to a community service organization. I can't imagine Habitat for Humanity blindfolding me and shooting a nail gun near my head to prove I can participate, or the Humane Society mashing up a chocolate bar to look like dog poop and having me eat it before I can walk or groom animals.

I wouldn't want someone in my group who allowed themselves to be manipulated or treated like crap, and I wouldn't want to be on the radar of my school administration for actions where I could be sued or shut down, especially in the name of community service.

[als463]

Originally Posted by AZPHI JOURNEAUX

and we have point value assigned to spending time with people in the fraternity, as i said you don't have to do everything, if you really think that a selection process like this is hazing, its all openly going on, we admit to it, and no one has ever complained. if someone voices a complaint its heard and the problem is remedied, we don't allow any physical harm to come to the pledges or for that matter the availability for it.

as for the psychological effects of a lighting change in a room, its not a interrogation, its an interview, just like those for a job. just you have a light shining in your eyes.... honest if it means enough we can change.

You still haven't answered my question. How do you feel about what all I just said? I wasn't hazed and yet I am VERY involved and loyal to my sorority. I am also willing to bet that MANY people on this site, who are VERY LOYAL to their organizations, were NOT hazed. If you were at my campus and you were doing that (which you wouldn't be because Penn State no longer allows locals-at least local sororities and I'm sure fraternities) many of the people on campus would laugh at your CIA-style of "interviewing" the brothers. You make it seem more like a JOKE than an actual reputable fraternity. Aren't there any national fraternities on your campus?