Arizona governor signs immigration bill

[AZTheta]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

See that's where you are wrong. The new law says that all they need is suspicion that the person is an illegal immigrant. If all this law said was that law enforcement could check immigration status on someone accused of a crime, I don't think I'd have an issue, but that's NOT what this is saying. Police can stop someone presumably minding their own business on a street corner just for seeming to be an illegal immigrant. Now ask yourself what would make someone suspicious as an illegal immigrant then ask yourself how that won't result in racial profiling.

Yes. Thank you. Perfect explanation. Dumb law, no, WRONG Law.

As an aside to this discussion: The Constitution and the Bill of Rights? Does that sound familiar? "unreasonable search and seizure..." or am I confused?

No one seems able or willing to define "seeming to be an illegal immigrant" in constitutional terms. When that happens, I'll listen.

Or is it (the definition) like pornography ("I can't tell you what it is but I know it when I see it" - and I'll send a Starbucks gift card to the first GCer who tells me the source of that quote)?

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

Yes. Thank you. Perfect explanation. Dumb law, no, WRONG Law.

As an aside to this discussion: The Constitution and the Bill of Rights? Does that sound familiar? "unreasonable search and seizure..." or am I confused?

No one seems able or willing to define "seeming to be an illegal immigrant" in constitutional terms. When that happens, I'll listen.

Or is it (the definition) like pornography ("I can't tell you what it is but I know it when I see it" - and I'll send a Starbucks gift card to the first GCer who tells me the source of that quote)?

Oh I know about that...Congress had a long inquiry into the porn industry at the behest of the religious right in the early 80s, but the RR was disappointed when they didn't outlaw pornography. Lots of congressmen did spend lots of time "researching" by watching porn!

[agzg]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

Or is it (the definition) like pornography ("I can't tell you what it is but I know it when I see it" - and I'll send a Starbucks gift card to the first GCer who tells me the source of that quote)?

Wasn't it Brennan? Seems like it would be. His decisions are a hoot to me.

Ha. Apparently not. There was something to do with something pron he had a decision in though and I remember giggling at what someone wrote about it.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by agzg

Wasn't it Brennan? Seems like it would be. His decisions are a hoot to me.

Ha. Apparently not. There was something to do with something pron he had a decision in though and I remember giggling at what someone wrote about it.

It was Potter Stewart. I looked it up on Google! Love Google! That's how I look up medical information, too!

[agzg]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

It was Potter Stewart. I looked it up on Google! Love Google! That's how I look up medical information, too!

I'm thinking of Miller v. California where the "Contemporary Community Standards" test (or Roth test) was applied - "taken as a whole, appeal to the prurient interest" really makes me giggle.

I'm having a hard time remembering why we were talking about that in a counter-terrorism class...

[I.A.S.K.]

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[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AzTheta

No one seems able or willing to define "seeming to be an illegal immigrant" in constitutional terms. When that happens, I'll listen.

Answer: Brown.