Arizona governor signs immigration bill

[DrPhil]

This is why discrimination is based on outcome and not intent. The intent of this new law is more along the lines of buffering some of the effects of illegal immigration that has hit some states harder than others.

The outcome will definitely be racial and ethnic profiling and an uneasiness when anyone who looks like "one of them" is seen.

Meanwhile, Black folks are like "how you like dem apples," just like Blacks asked East Indians after Sept. 11.

Meanwhile2, this is when being a Black Hispanic and a white Hispanic really kicks ass because your ethnic identity is overshadowed by your racial identity.

[epchick]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Meanwhile2, this is when being a...white Hispanic really kicks ass because your ethnic identity is overshadowed by your racial identity.

IDK about the "kick ass" part, but I was told this when I complained about the bill. "What are you complaining about, it's not like they are gonna stop you!"

I understand what the governor was trying to accomplish with this bill, but the outcome (like DrPhil said) will just be wrong.

I like how people are saying this WON'T turn into racial profiling because illegal Hispanics aren't the only "illegals"--you got people from the Asian countries, as well as European ones. Yeah, like the cops will really stop a white man and say "let me see your papers, I think you might be here illegally."

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by epchick

IDK about the "kick ass" part, but I was told this when I complained about the bill. "What are you complaining about, it's not like they are gonna stop you!"

I understand what the governor was trying to accomplish with this bill, but the outcome (like DrPhil said) will just be wrong.

I like how people are saying this WON'T turn into racial profiling because illegal Hispanics aren't the only "illegals"--you got people from the Asian countries, as well as European ones. Yeah, like the cops will really stop a white man and say "let me see your papers, I think you might be here illegally."

This bill is a hot topic in this area but I think people need to simmer down and see how AZ police plan to enforce it. A local radio station was saying that if you are US citizen hispanic/latino and don't have your birth certificate on you when pulled over in AZ that you'll be deported. SO NOT TRUE. I think that there are a lot of scare tactics being used to attack this bill, sort of like the death panels, health care rationing rumors that were going on last year in regards to health care reform.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

This bill is a hot topic in this area but I think people need to simmer down and see how AZ police plan to enforce it. A local radio station was saying that if you are US citizen hispanic/latino and don't have your birth certificate on you when pulled over in AZ that you'll be deported. SO NOT TRUE. I think that there are a lot of scare tactics being used to attack this bill, sort of like the death panels, health care rationing rumors that were going on last year in regards to health care reform.

Little tit for tat? The problem is, they specifically said that you don't have to be suspected of any crime to be checked.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Little tit for tat? The problem is, they specifically said that you don't have to be suspected of any crime to be checked.

Oh, being here illegally ISN'T a crime?

[Ghostwriter]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Oh, being here illegally ISN'T a crime?

Touche'. Short, succinct and to the point. Score.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by Ghostwriter

Touche'. Short, succinct and to the point. Score.

Not necessarily. The problem will come with stating articulable suspicion that the person being detained has committed a crime, if all the police can say is "well, he looked like he might be from Mexico."

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Oh, being here illegally ISN'T a crime?

And being hispanic isn't a crime. Being a hispanic doesn't make you automatically an illegal immigrant. How can you tell an illegal immigrant from a legal US citizen or a legal immigrant without profiling?

As for Kevlar...it is one thing to be checked near a border, it is completely another to be stopped walking down the street in towns far from a border.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

And being hispanic isn't a crime. Being a hispanic doesn't make you automatically an illegal immigrant. How can you tell an illegal immigrant from a legal US citizen or a legal immigrant without profiling?

As for Kevlar...it is one thing to be checked near a border, it is completely another to be stopped walking down the street in towns far from a border.

I never said being hispanic was a crime or that hispanic= illegal immigrant.

[Kevlar281]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

A lot of cities have identified themselves as "sanctuary" cities where police and non immigration related Gov agencies are prohibited from asking an individual any questions about citizenship or immigration status. With this law being passed it allows local police to run immigration checks on anyone who gives probable cause.

I know. I live in a sanctuary city.

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Little tit for tat? The problem is, they specifically said that you don't have to be suspected of any crime to be checked.

This is exactly why I made my post about border patrol checkpoints. Everyone thinks that once you make it through the border crossing you're good to go but the federal government operates mobile border patrol checkpoints. I've been stopped and asked to identity my country of origin numerous times. After I provide ID I'm sent on my way. No crime was committed and I was not suspected of any crime other than illegal immigration. I don't see the difference between what the border patrol does and what the AZ police will now start doing.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Kevlar281

I don't see the difference between what the border patrol does and what the AZ police will now start doing.

Where does border patrol operate? Do they patrol every street and do illegal immigrant check points throughout the state?

[Kevlar281]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Where does border patrol operate?

Typically within a 100 miles of the border.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Do they patrol every street

They don't but nothing that I know of besides policy prevents them from doing so if they chose to.

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Do they...do illegal immigrant check points throughout the state?

Yes

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

As for Kevlar...it is one thing to be checked near a border, it is completely another to be stopped walking down the street in towns far from a border.

I don't see how proximity to the border makes one acceptable and the other not.

/edit: to prevent double posting.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Where does border patrol operate? Do they patrol every street and do illegal immigrant check points throughout the state?

No and No.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by epchick

IDK about the "kick ass" part, but I was told this when I complained about the bill. "What are you complaining about, it's not like they are gonna stop you!"

I understand what the governor was trying to accomplish with this bill, but the outcome (like DrPhil said) will just be wrong.

I like how people are saying this WON'T turn into racial profiling because illegal Hispanics aren't the only "illegals"--you got people from the Asian countries, as well as European ones. Yeah, like the cops will really stop a white man and say "let me see your papers, I think you might be here illegally."

the overwhelming majority of illegal aliens are of hispanic descent. 10 million of the 12 million illegals are hispanic. are the hispanic cops going to be practicing racial profiling?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by starang21

are the hispanic cops going to be practicing racial profiling?

Yes.

Just like Black police officers engaged in racial profiling and DWB, even if they engaged in it reluctantly. It was partly a means of earning their stripes and, for some, it was a means of distinguishing themselves as different than "dem n------s."

Racial profiling is a practice like institutional discrimination. You don't have to be white (or not a member the targeted group) to engage in such discriminatory practices.