Obama orders end to the practice of denying same-sex partners hospital visits

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

You are completely missing the point. You said we make most of our laws based on the ten commandments. I merely pointed out that the ten commandments expressly forbid adultery, but we don't have Christians running around trying to outlaw that now do we. The debate about religion came up because you used your religious beliefs as a reason for why gay marriage should not be legalized. If you don't like the validity of that view being debated, then keep it to yourself.
Religion itself has not been debated. No one here has said religion is bad or people are stupid for being religious. We've all just agreed to keep our religious beliefs to ourselves so they don't impinge on the free practice or lack of practice of religion of our fellow Americans.

@the part in bold: You might want to double check that. My state has laws against adultery AND against fornication. There are other states that have done so as well.

And I was ASKED my opinion by ONE person. That was not my attempt to say that EVERYONE should follow suit. so no, your debate about religion was not necessary based on that.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

My state has laws against ... fornication.

Word?

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

Word?

Yep. And every blue moon someone actually gets prosecuted under that law.


And of course, with respect to adultery, even when there is no criminal prosecution, you can sue someone for sleeping with your spouse. And that IS still used pretty often.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Yep. And every blue moon someone actually gets prosecuted under that law.


And of course, with respect to adultery, even when there is no criminal prosecution, you can sue someone for sleeping with your spouse. And that IS still used pretty often.

These laws have been striken from the books in most places, are never enforced in others and are mocked when they are enforced. Saying that they get used "pretty often" is quite an over statement. In the end the number of people effected by these outdated laws that are not chapioned by any reputable religious group out there pales in comparison to the numbers effected by the ban on gay marriage.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

These laws have been striken from the books in most places, are never enforced in others and are mocked when they are enforced. Saying that they get used "pretty often" is quite an over statement. In the end the number of people effected by these outdated laws that are not chapioned by any reputable religious group out there pales in comparison to the numbers effected by the ban on gay marriage.

Unless you live in my state, you can't say it is an overstatement. Yes, people bring actions against people for sleeping with their spouses. The amount of cases in that area alone was enough to spend 4 weeks discussing in advanced torts.

And not all states have stricken those laws from the books. Apparently you are not as informed as you think you are.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Unless you live in my state, you can't say it is an overstatement. Yes, people bring actions against people for sleeping with their spouses. The amount of cases in that area alone was enough to spend 4 weeks discussing in advanced torts.

And not all states have stricken those laws from the books. Apparently you are not as informed as you think you are.

Seriously, deepimpact2, do we need to have a discussion about these laws? I know that your legal education has taught you better than this.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Seriously, deepimpact2, do we need to have a discussion about these laws? I know that your legal education has taught you better than this.

I'm not following the point you're making. The point is that the laws exist. I made those statement in reference to the fact that someone was saying that no one is making laws concerning these things.

Oh and I'm not sure those laws really qualify as "blue laws."

[MysticCat]

And I was ASKED my opinion by ONE person. That was not my attempt to say that EVERYONE should follow suit. so no, your debate about religion was not necessary based on that.

Again, you miss the point. You were asked why you did not want to see same-sex marriage legalized. If it's against the law, everyone does have to follow suit. Since your religious beliefs (which I respect, by the way) are what you gave as the reason why you do not think same-sex marriage should be legalized, and since you seem to think that is a sufficient reason not to legalize same-sex marriage, the discussion that has followed is right on track.

Meanwhile, I boggles my mind that anyone in law school could actually say "most" of our laws have "some foundation" in the 10 Commandents. Aside from the complete historical inaccuracy of that statement, "most" of our laws have absolutely nothing to do with anything even remotely connected to what is in the 10 Commandments. From a legal standpoint related to modern laws, the 10 Commandments cover blue laws and blasphemy laws (not many or either left), murder, adultery, theft and perjury. That's it -- a fraction of our laws.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Again, you miss the point. You were asked why you did not want to see same-sex marriage legalized. If it's against the law, everyone does have to follow suit. Since your religious beliefs (which I respect, by the way) are what you gave as the reason why you do not think same-sex marriage should be legalized, and since you seem to think that is a sufficient reason not to legalize same-sex marriage, the discussion that has followed is right on track.

Meanwhile, I boggles my mind that anyone in law school could actually say "most" of our laws have "some foundation" in the 10 Commandents. Aside from the complete historical inaccuracy of that statement, "most" of our laws have absolutely nothing to do with anything even remotely connected to what is in the 10 Commandments. From a legal standpoint related to modern laws, the 10 Commandments cover blue laws and blasphemy laws (not many or either left), murder, adultery, theft and perjury. That's it -- a fraction of our laws.

Not acredited by the ABA, but a higher authority.

Tiers? Oh we're above Tier I, we're Tier H for Holy.

deepimpact, I don't know where you go to school, I am sure it is accredited, I'm just making a funny for Mr. Cat.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

Not acredited by the ABA, but a higher authority.

Tiers? Oh we're above Tier I, we're Tier H for Holy.

deepimpact, I don't know where you go to school, I am sure it is accredited, I'm just making a funny for Mr. Cat.

And Mr. Cat was amused.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

And Mr. Cat was amused.

Okay, I'm really having a problem with a law student using blue laws as evidence. Really having a problem with that.