kappa sigma at fgcu?

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Simply put; because Kappa Sigma was supporting the interest of the students who wanted to form as Kappa Sigma at FGCU.

Kappa Sigma didnt look at FGCU and wonder why there wasnt a chapter there; the students unhappy with the choices at FGCU contacted Kappa Sigma.

I dont think its an understatement to say that since college students are only students for a certain number of years; for Kappa Sigma to truly support these men, waiting an unknown amount of time was not the option they felt (and still feel) was best.

I would hope that Kappa Sigma's expansion chair/committee looked at more than "OMG, this group of students that we don't know won't get the chance to be Greek!" when making the decision to expand to FGCU.

[Rambler1869]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I would hope that Kappa Sigma's expansion chair/committee looked at more than "OMG, this group of students that we don't know won't get the chance to be Greek!" when making the decision to expand to FGCU.

Certainly, that was just the short answer. It wasnt a matter of if they could be greek or not, they could have joined other fraternities already established on campus; but they wanted Kappa Sigma.

Beyond that, Kappa Sigma requires a lengthy checklist be completed prior to being able to become a fully chartered chapter. Whether or not they have the same requirments, I'm sure this type of list is not uncommon in the greek system.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Certainly, that was just the short answer. It wasnt a matter of if they could be greek or not, they could have joined other fraternities already established on campus; but they wanted Kappa Sigma.

Beyond that, Kappa Sigma requires a lengthy checklist be completed prior to being able to become a fully chartered chapter. Whether or not they have the same requirments, I'm sure this type of list is not uncommon in the greek system.

I was being facetious, but that comment does go back to some of the previous posts. It's hard to believe that KS is THAT hard-pressed for chapters that they couldn't follow the University's guidelines and wait.

And in my organization, having the university's approval is one item on the checklist. If the school is against expansion, we move on. If they tell us to wait, we will wait.

[Rambler1869]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I was being facetious, but that comment does go back to some of the previous posts. It's hard to believe that KS is THAT hard-pressed for chapters that they couldn't follow the University's guidelines and wait.

And in my organization, having the university's approval is one item on the checklist. If the school is against expansion, we move on. If they tell us to wait, we will wait.

You're right in thinking that Kappa Sigma is not that hard pressed for chapters. But, one of our earlier members once gave a speech that every Kappa Sigma learns, ends with "May we not rest contentedly until the Star and Crescent is the pride of every college and university in the land!"

This is something we still believe today.

In terms of waiting for university approval, that goes back to our original argument; we do not feel that the university has the grounds to prevent any lawful and peaceful organization from forming.

Now we push for the same rights, currently being given to those other fraternities on campus.

FGCU is a very young school, with an IFC that has only formed within the last few years. As a result, not every fraternity had to be "recognized" in order to form as a student organization; as there was no IFC to recognize them. With everything new, there are always things to be changed, as the initial rules or policies adapted from other areas, may not be right in the long term for that particular institution.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

You're right in thinking that Kappa Sigma is not that hard pressed for chapters. But, one of our earlier members once gave a speech that every Kappa Sigma learns, ends with "May we not rest contentedly until the Star and Crescent is the pride of every college and university in the land!"

This is something we still believe today.

In terms of waiting for university approval, that goes back to our original argument; we do not feel that the university has the grounds to prevent any lawful and peaceful organization from forming.

Now we push for the same rights, currently being given to those other fraternities on campus.

FGCU is a very young school, with an IFC that has only formed within the last few years. As a result, not every fraternity had to be "recognized" in order to form as a student organization; as there was no IFC to recognize them. With everything new, there are always things to be changed, as the initial rules or policies adapted from other areas, may not be right in the long term for that particular institution.

I think the bolded is the point of many of the dissenters.

Yeah, (general) you may think it sucks that these rules are in place, but that doesn't make them unconstitutional (as KSigAdvisor has stated several times). It's just one of those things that we as Greeks have to deal with. If (general) we REALLY want to get on FGCU's campus, we're simply going to have to follow the rules.

[Rambler1869]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

If (general) we REALLY want to get on FGCU's campus, we're simply going to have to follow the rules.

Which Kappa Sigma has done. Despite what some may think, Kappa Sigma has followed every single rule set forth by the university and by the IFC. Forming a colony without recongition by the school (despite the idea they said not to form) is not actually a violation of a single FGCU policy.

I earlier asked, that if I am wrong on that point, (that Kappa Sigma has broken a written policy for FGCU) to please present it; as I am unaware of it.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Which Kappa Sigma has done. Despite what some may think, Kappa Sigma has followed every single rule set forth by the university and by the IFC. Forming a colony without recongition by the school (despite the idea they said not to form) is not actually a violation of a single FGCU policy.

I earlier asked, that if I am wrong on that point, (that Kappa Sigma has broken a written policy for FGCU) to please present it; as I am unaware of it.

I meant that the group needs to accept the univeristy's rule (getting IFC approval before being approved as a GLO) instead of bashing FGCU and claiming that it's infringing on students' civil liberties.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by Rambler1869

Which Kappa Sigma has done. Despite what some may think, Kappa Sigma has followed every single rule set forth by the university and by the IFC. Forming a colony without recongition by the school (despite the idea they said not to form) is not actually a violation of a single FGCU policy.

I earlier asked, that if I am wrong on that point, (that Kappa Sigma has broken a written policy for FGCU) to please present it; as I am unaware of it.

Did y'all follow Article II, Section 2, part b for provisional colonies? (document last dated 12/08)

http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Gree...L_-_120908.pdf

From what I could google it seems that the Greek Life Expansion Committee has some input, and that may be the issue.

http://studentservices.fgcu.edu/Gree...LEC_Bylaws.pdf

Lastly, is the FLA still operating as an umbrella org.? I couldn't find anything when I googled.