All White People Are RACIST!

[lovespink88]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Always turn your brain on before typing to me.

You're expecting an intelligent/non-trollish response from MM?

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by lovespink88

You're expecting an intelligent/non-trollish response from MM?

Yes because he doesn't bother me and he has good discussions when he isn't trying to rile people up.

[lovespink88]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Yes because he doesn't bother me and he has good discussions when he isn't trying to rile people up.

I must have missed those. All I've ever seen is articles taken out of context and random statistics that don't make sense/don't have a source.

[Phrozen1ne]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

All of you are too smart to get stuck on who speaks for whom. We already know that no race has a spokesperson.

The real point is in what Mayer was HORRIBLY attempting to convey, which is what many social scientists (99% are white) have been saying based on an analysis of the structure of race and power (which is what racism is--it isn't the same thing as prejudice and it doesn't require being prejudiced or bigoted--I don't give a darn whether you disagree with this so spare me). These social scientists have theorized that whites in societies where whites are the power majority are racist through social learning and group positioning. In societies where other groups are the power majority (which doesn't automatically happen just because a group is the population majority), these groups can ALSO be racist unintentionally, inadvertently, covertly, overtly, without biased intent, etc.

Tim Wise is a mainstream white person who has made such claims for years. He and other less mainstream people have used examples of racism (and sexism) such as how they often assume that they are the lead speaker or the leader of a group of intellects just because they are the white male. They sometimes have to catch themselves in action to challenge themselves to do better. That's classic status group hierarchy right there. It is still an example of racism despite the fact that there isn't the overtly discriminatory or bigoted outcome that the media (and uninformed people, in general) has told us to expect from "racism."

I agree with this as well. I strongly agree with what is in bold face.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

All of you are too smart to get stuck on who speaks for whom. We already know that no race has a spokesperson.

The real point is in what Mayer was HORRIBLY attempting to convey, which is what many social scientists (99% are white) have been saying based on an analysis of the structure of race and power (which is what racism is--it isn't the same thing as prejudice and it doesn't require being prejudiced or bigoted--I don't give a darn whether you disagree with this so spare me). These social scientists have theorized that whites in societies where whites are the power majority are racist through social learning and group positioning. In societies where other groups are the power majority (which doesn't automatically happen just because a group is the population majority), these groups can ALSO be racist unintentionally, inadvertently, covertly, overtly, without biased intent, etc.

Tim Wise is a mainstream white person who has made such claims for years. He and other less mainstream people have used examples of racism (and sexism) such as how they often assume that they are the lead speaker or the leader of a group of intellects just because they are the white male. They sometimes have to catch themselves in action to challenge themselves to do better. That's classic status group hierarchy right there. It is still an example of racism despite the fact that there isn't the overtly discriminatory or bigoted outcome that the media (and uninformed people, in general) has told us to expect from "racism."

Beautiful.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by lovespink88

I must have missed those.

Yes.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by deepimpact2

Well I mean it seems like people certainly think that about Black people. Apparently Al Sharpton speaks for all of US. Soooo now White people are just getting a taste of how it feels to have people think one person speaks for the whole race. It really is nothing new. But I think most people know that John Mayer is speaking for John Mayer.

I wouldn't compare John Mayer with Sharpton, who is a civil rights advocate who routinely brings up issues that affect and concern the Black community to the publics attention. Mayer is just a douche who is out of touch with reality.

[DaemonSeid]

Really it's the same thing.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Really it's the same thing.

What is?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

These social scientists have theorized that whites in societies where whites are the power majority are racist through social learning and group positioning. In societies where other groups are the power majority (which doesn't automatically happen just because a group is the population majority), these groups can ALSO be racist unintentionally, inadvertently, covertly, overtly, without biased intent, etc.

Are these scientists saying that while white dominated societies ARE ALWAYS racist by nature, societies dominated by non-whites CAN ALSO ( as in maybe, sometimes, once in a blue moon) be racist? I just find it hard to believe it's a world wide trait of all Anglo societies to be racist. I'm not sure if I completely agree with that hypothesis based on what I've seen in my travels( don't feel like getting into it right now). Granted my experience in the matter is limited to people from Latin America and the middle east, but it's been my observation that people see there own race, in general, more favorably than other races.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Are these scientists saying that....

It isn't my job to school you. Read more and then make an informed decision, agree or disagree.

[DaemonSeid]

O well time to drag this old chestnut out.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

O well time to drag this old chestnut out.

I love that little kid...he puts so much pride into his work!

[Little32]

Another perspective:


On John Mayer’s ‘Hood Pass’: A moment of clarity
http://www.race-talk.org/?p=2817

[DrPhil]

I missed where Mayer had cross-over appeal and had ANY pass. Cross-over appeal would mean that he is liked by a representation of the Black population. Then his music would aire on Michael Baisden's show like Robin Thicke's Cartman sounding self does.

ETA: "Brittney Cooper, Ph.D. is an Assistant Professor of Women's Studies." Hence the social analysis of Mayer's comments. I agree with her but wish she had saved the good stuff for a more worthy and interesting topic.