Obama destroys another neighborhood.

[kish2]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

There was a successfully integrated housing complex in either Chicago or St. Louis years ago. It worked because residents could not tell (so they claimed) whether their neighbor was middle class or poor.

It proved what many of us already know, which is that poor neighborhoods are run down and criminogenic, not because of the failed efforts of the majority of the residents. Given better living and crime fighting resources, poorer neighborhoods do not differ that much from high income neighborhoods. Law abiding and tax paying citizens generally want the same things regardless of whether they can afford it.

Things like this work in small doses. Despite the shock value of it all, it will most likely be implemented in small doses and to very little fanfair.

This society is class and race segregated by chance (city planning, districting, schooling/zoning, etc.) and by choice. It is impossible to impact the chance without interfering with the choice.

What was the neighborhood that was supposidly successful? You said years ago? How about today?

Small doses of success is not success when you average in the large scale failures.


I don't believe that people in the poor neighborhoods want the same things as people in affluent neighborhoods. The people in those hoods don't even pick up the garbage on their front steps. Half of their kids don't even go to school. Lack of money is not the cause, it is the effect.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by kish2

What was the neighborhood that was supposidly successful? You said years ago? How about today?

Small doses of success is not success when you average in the large scale failures.

So, you agree with me.

Don't bang your head on the wall with me, madmax. LOL. I deal with much better instigators regarding these topics everysingleday.

[rhoyaltempest]

Originally Posted by kish2

What was the neighborhood that was supposidly successful? You said years ago? How about today?

Small doses of success is not success when you average in the large scale failures.


I don't believe that people in the poor neighborhoods want the same things as people in affluent neighborhoods. The people in those hoods don't even pick up the garbage on their front steps. Half of their kids don't even go to school. Lack of money is not the cause, it is the effect.

And this is your problem Madmax. You might be able to have an intelligent conversation about this topic if you weren't so busy trying to be racist. It's clear that you've done SOME research on this topic but it's also clear that you haven't done enough and that you don't care to research everything, just those points that appear to back up your comments. It is absolutely false to conclude that there aren't hard working people in poor neighborhoods and to conclude that most of these people do not want what most of us want. You are really showing your ignorance here regarding this topic. It is so obvious that you can only do research and read articles on the subject, but know nothing about the reality. And these neighborhoods are also very diverse (which you obviously have no clue about). Where else can you find people who work 2-3 jobs to make ends meet, welfare recipients, home owners, school teachers, honor roll students, strict parents, not so strict parents, etc. etc. all living on one street? In the low income neighborhoods in cities and most of these people are just as afraid of the crime they hear about, as suburbanites.

Now you might have made some good points but you've also made way too many generalizations to be taken seriously. All of those areas you named in Philly also have middle class neighborhoods and calling all of North Philly the badlands is certainly not accurate. There is a particular neighborhood in North Philly that is infamously known as the badlands due to high crime. However, there are also neighborhoods in North Philly where the middle class live and thrive. So my problem with you is not researching and telling the whole story. Stop with the generalizations and racial comments and we can indeed have an intelligent conversation regarding this topic, and Philly which I see you love to talk about. Oh and I'm still waiting for the list of schools with 14-15 full time cops. I'm sure that the city cannot afford such a thing so please enlighten us.