Obama heckled by GOP during speech: 'You lie!'

[DaemonSeid]

Are you sure you aren't my sister...she just said that very thing not but an hr ago....HA!!!

funny part is...she is your soror.

[UGAalum94]

In fairness to the heckler, I think some of the numbers cited to get to the really big number of uninsured include illegal immigrants. If you check out some of the right-y blogs, I think you can find links that reflect some really recent subtractions to remove illegal immigrants from the pool of people being discussed.

How to handle this part of the health care equation is a pretty contentious area. There's always the tension being doing what appears to be the right thing vs any kind of sustainability. Free world class health care regardless of citizenship is likely to be a pretty big draw. What seriously ill person wouldn't come here for care?

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Free world class health care regardless of citizenship is likely to be a pretty big draw. What seriously ill person wouldn't come here for care?

If other publicly paid for health care systems are any evidence of the sort of care...probably none.

I guess if the Democrats want to push this better, they should tell the Republicans that the health care will be so terribly bad that immigrants won't want to come here. It might work. Especially since it will be true.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

If other publicly paid for health care systems are any evidence of the sort of care...probably none.

I guess if the Democrats want to push this better, they should tell the Republicans that the health care will be so terribly bad that immigrants won't want to come here. It might work. Especially since it will be true.

Yeah, but I imagine any negative effects in the quality of care are going to be gradual. I don't expect to go third world in one generation, no matter how bad health care reform turns out.

Crap, that's something new to worry about.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Yeah, but I imagine any negative effects in the quality of care are going to be gradual. I don't expect to go third world in one generation, no matter how bad health care reform turns out.

Crap, that's something new to worry about.

The quality of the doctors, medicine, etc probably will not go down any time soon.

But the accessibility to that quality, will.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

The quality of the doctors, medicine, etc probably will not go down any time soon.

But the accessibility to that quality, will.

Huh? take me though this.

ETA: It sounds like you expect a vast increase in the number of people seeking treatment that will remain high quality. I'm betting it won't go down like that.

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Huh? take me though this.

ETA: It sounds like you expect a vast increase in the number of people seeking treatment that will remain high quality. I'm betting it won't go down like that.

It won't.

But I guess what I would be saying is that for now, the quality of the doctors...as in their education and aptitude for medical knowledge will stay up. Not necessarily the quality of the care they provide.

Granted, I have a bone to pick with national healthcare. A good German friend of mine was not given treatment because of the advanced stages of his cancer. He was denied care even though he had been paying into the system for quite a long time. He passed away. My German roommate broke his arm while I was there. It didn't get fixed while I was there. I left for the United States and emailed him probably a month after I had left. They finally had got to him, but they had to re-break his bone to reset it. Sounds like something I envy.