Obama heckled by GOP during speech: 'You lie!'

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by sqid smoks crak

Good point. A few weeks ago in an interview with Micheal Smerconish at the White House Obama admited that illegals would get basic coverage.


http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08...rue-says-oba/2

http://www.racewire.org/archives/200...dispellin.html

Well, if a person comes into an ER bleeding to death, you can't simply let them die.

You may be confusing getting basic care vs getting comprehensive coverage.

You may want to see the case of the woman who died in King's Hospital last year as a reason why regardless of your status, it is inhumane to let someone who seeks immediate treatment be turned away.

While unfortunately each and every illegal cannot be identified, if someone needs immeidate help you can't turn away.

Perhaps this issue here (and I am sure somoene can claify) is defining just exactly what 'basic insurance coverage' implies and what it covers.


So uhhhh.....if you see somebody getting hit by a car, are you going to ask if they are here in the US illegally before you call 911?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by sqid smoks crak

That is easy to say since you don't pay for it.



I am not confusing anything. Basic coverage for 30 million illegals isn't cheap. Then add the comprehensive coverage for all the legals that are too lazy to work.






I don't care. The woman let herself down and her family let her down. If you want to be a humanitarian then why don't you pay for her?



I will be glad to call 911 but I won't spend one dime of my money to save them and I would not expect a hopsital to spend one dime either. When the ambulance picks them up they can take them right to the border. Their own county should pay for the medical care.


The problem with you and Obama is you love spending other people's money.

max..I dont have time to entertain you today.

Thank you for your words of non wisdom.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I dont have time to entertain you today.

This is generally how I feel about most of these conversations. At the same time, I am dismayed that folks can't seem to communicate because they are so interested in talking past each other and being right. If folks invested half the energy into finding viable solutions that they invest in partisan grandstanding, we would have solutions to this and other problems already.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Little32

This is generally how I feel about most of these conversations. At the same time, I am dismayed that folks can't seem to communicate because they are so interested in talking past each other and being right. If folks invested half the energy into finding viable solutions that they invest in partisan grandstanding, we would have solutions to this and other problems already.

Yes, and that works on both sides. That's why I'm a bit dismayed at the "take it or leave it" message that the President seems to be communicating lately. Both sides are making concessions...Obama doesn't need to borrow the "you're with us or against us" rhetoric from the Bush presidency.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

Yes, and that works on both sides.

I know. Read my post. It was not partisan.

I was reading this book by Katherine McKittrick a while ago and there was a passage that was actually liberating for me in an odd sort of way. McKittrick suggests that the intent has never been and will never be to remedy these problems (i. e. hunger, poverty, health care reform etc... and the conditions that produce them). The inherent desire of those in power is to constantly reproduce the conditions that keep them in power and mirror back to them their notions of their own status and power, which is why these problems persist even in light of the general advancement that we, as a global society, continue to make. (McKittrick said it so much more eloquently, but the book is at home and I am not.) Anywho, I was persuaded and her argument makes our current circumstances easier to understand.

When I write posts like this, I know it is time to get back to the book project.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Little32

I know. Read my post. It was not partisan.
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I know. Read my post. I was agreeing with you.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I know. Read my post. I was agreeing with you.

^^I saw that, but I wasn't sure that you did. Hug it out.