My Fall 09 Recruitment Story

[KSUViolet06]

Am I the only person who is a bit bugged that she accuses every chapter on campus of "dirty rushing" and "already having their pledge classes picked?"

I dunno, I understand that you're hurt, but with that many PNMs and chapters, I HIGHLY doubt that EVERY SINGLE ONE of them is playing dirty and has EVERY SINGLE GIRL lined up before recruitment.

I'm just one of those weird people who thinks it's not nice to accuse chapters of playing dirty.

With that said, I do hope that everything works out for you and you enjoy college.

[BabyPiNK_FL]

Throwing a "dance party" for a rush event sounds silly and (in my opinion) lazy. You don't even have to talk, so what are you going off of? It's like the anomaly of rush parties to me. I just don't get it! I would go in and ask for a chair and sit down and stare and stare.

[UGAalum94]

I have a problem with dirty rushing if we are talking about bid promising kind of stuff.

But I don't have a big problem with groups trying to get to know members who are coming to school beforehand so they have a better chance at actually offering bids to women they regard as being worthy of membership who they actually know and have talked to for more than two hours cumulatively.

Sure, the downside of this is that it cuts other worthy women out of the process, and that stinks. But since I don't think that all groups are actually able to pre-choose their pledge classes since they all often want a lot of the same girls, I think this problem is sort of self correcting. Amazing unknowns get pick up by other chapters and those chapters get stronger.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

But since I don't think that all groups are actually able to pre-choose their pledge classes since they all often want a lot of the same girls, I think this problem is sort of self correcting. Amazing unknowns get pick up by other chapters and those chapters get stronger.

This is more of what I was trying to say. It's almost impossible for ALL 14 chapters at a school to select an entire class before recruitment.

I dunno, I'm just a little bothered by the whole "I didn't get a bid so now I'm going to assume that everyone has every single member chosen beforehand" thing. It just doesn't seem like it could be the case for every chapter.

[OPhiAGinger]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

I'm just a little bothered by the whole "I didn't get a bid so now I'm going to assume that everyone has every single member chosen beforehand" thing. It just doesn't seem like it could be the case for every chapter.

You've said that three times now. Enough.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by OPhiAGinger

You've said that three times now. Enough.

Oh, badly played, you with your 119 total posts. What in the world could possibly make you think you can decide when KSU has said enough?

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KSUViolet06

This is more of what I was trying to say. It's almost impossible for ALL 14 chapters at a school to select an entire class before recruitment.

I dunno, I'm just a little bothered by the whole "I didn't get a bid so now I'm going to assume that everyone has every single member chosen beforehand" thing. It just doesn't seem like it could be the case for every chapter.

Sure, it's probably not completely a reflection of reality, and it comes off a little bit like a sweeping attack on the whole system because of bad individual results, which while totally understandable emotionally, isn't what those of us who generally promote the system consider reasonable in the context of overall results.

But it seems like this campus has some chapters that make it really clear during round one that they aren't even interested in talking to PNMs they don't yet know. If you went through that and then had a bad overall outcome, it wouldn't be hard to believe that all the chapters must do something similar.

At least some chapters and maybe this whole campus seem to have a pretty serious PR problem caused at least in part by what's become cool to do at popular chapters first round.

[BadCat25]

Nothing gets the GC gang more enraged than the suggestion that the recruitment process is essentially rigged like elections in Iran. Lets face it, in many cases, especially in the elite chapters in the South, many of the bid lists slots are decided before rush begins. Friends from high school, girls pushed by powerful alum associations and other connections dominate these lists. That is not to say that someone who walks in cold to these chapters can’t get a bid but she would have to be spectacular, as in drop dead gorgeous to stand a chance. To deny this is just foolish.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by BadCat25

Nothing gets the GC gang more enraged than the suggestion that the recruitment process is essentially rigged like elections in Iran. Lets face it, in many cases, especially in the elite chapters in the South, many of the bid lists slots are decided before rush begins. Friends from high school, girls pushed by powerful alum associations and other connections dominate these lists. That is not to say that someone who walks in cold to these chapters can’t get a bid but she would have to be spectacular, as in drop dead gorgeous to stand a chance. To deny this is just foolish.

No one IS denying this. I've never even seen a person attempt to deny that the most elite chapters know who is rushing before hand, know who they want, but still might be open to spectacular PNMs who seem like good fits. I'd actually like to meet the GCer who has a problem with that and would prefer chapters to hold a high percentage of spots for complete unknowns who they offer membership to after four parties' worth of conversation.

What is being denied is that a whole system is made up of chapters who have their pledge classes before recruitment even begins.

It's super unlikely that the entire system is "elite" enough, to use your world, to effectively recruit that way.

And if there were tons of great unplaced girls, the campus would probably open for expansion.

If the system is placing a high percentage of PNMs and we have no evidence that all PNMs have tight pre-recruitment connections in the chapters they pledged, it seems faulty to conclude that even the majority of chapters have their
bid lists before recruitment starts.

It seems to me that you relatively frequently post as if you know what you are talking about, and yet, if you think about how recruitment actually works, it would be nearly impossible for a system to work as the OP here thinks it does.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by OPhiAGinger

You've said that three times now. Enough.

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Oh, badly played, you with your 119 total posts. What in the world could possibly make you think you can decide when KSU has said enough?

Right. I was unaware that that the Violet police were out this afternoon. I'll say what I want. Thank you.

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

No one IS denying this. I've never even seen a person attempt to deny that the most elite chapters know who is rushing before hand, know who they want, but still might be open to spectacular PNMs who seem like good fits. I'd actually like to meet the GCer who has a problem with that and would prefer chapters to hold a high percentage of spots for complete unknowns who they offer membership to after four parties' worth of conversation.

What is being denied is that a whole system is made up of chapters who have their pledge classes before recruitment even begins.

It's super unlikely that the entire system is "elite" enough, to use your world, to effectively recruit that way.

And if there were tons of great unplaced girls, the campus would probably open for expansion.

If the system is placing a high percentage of PNMs and we have no evidence that all PNMs have tight pre-recruitment connections in the chapters they pledged, it seems faulty to conclude that even the majority of chapters have their
bid lists before recruitment starts.

It seems to me that you relatively frequently post as if you know what you are talking about, and yet, if you think about how recruitment actually works, it would be nearly impossible for a system to work as the OP here thinks it does.

THIS is what I've been trying to say the entire time. Thank you.

Yes, it may very well be possible that some chapters do plan out who they want before recruitment. However, some of the other chapters likely want some of the same women.

Some of those chapters aren't going to get the women they planned on, and rather than not pledging quota, they're likely going to take a look at some of the girls they haven't met beforehand.

It would be impossible for everyone to operate the same way because the placement rate would be ridiculously low and some chapters wouldn't match quota (due to only wanting certain women and not being interested in anyone else).

I just wouldn't want anyone reading (who is able to figure out the school), to think that they shouldn't even bother because "everyone picks who they want before recruitment."

[APhiAnna]

The dance party situation is insanely weird. HQ is chill with that? Even if they were the most desired group on campus I'd still walk out of that party thinking "that was beyond lame"...even the biggest status climbers would likely have enough other desired groups to focus on after sitting (or dancing) through a hot mess like that. Not to mention it'd be insulting that they care so little about getting to know you. Plus can you imagine being an active and dancing through that many parties? Was that an exaggerated description of how it goes down or do they really just dance the whole time? I'm baffled.

Then again, the girls they want probably already want them (legacies, hometowns, etc.) so maybe the girls that know they want Florida already know what to expect. But....really???

[OPhiAGinger]

Originally Posted by UGAalum94

Oh, badly played, you with your 119 total posts. What in the world could possibly make you think you can decide when KSU has said enough?

Sorry, I didn't realize there was a minimum number of posts a GC member must make before they are "worthy". My bad. In this case, I was just trying to point out that posting the same thing three times in a single thread is overkill. I'm not trying to slam KSU in general.

[AnchorAlumna]

Originally Posted by wannabeagreek2

But my Rho Chi also told me about COBs, and how my name would be put on a list all year and if a chapter didn’t meet quota, they could call me and offer me a bid.

AFAIK, you have to sign up for COB. After all, it is open to women who did not go through formal recruitment in the first place.
But that's still no guarantee of a bid. And if all the groups made quote, COB is unlikely...at least until second semester.
Sometimes, the answer is "no." I'd bet the majority of female students on your campus are NOT greek. Your best bet is to explore and develop other interests. There are way more of them than there are sororities!
Good luck to you!

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by OPhiAGinger

Sorry, I didn't realize there was a minimum number of posts a GC member must make before they are "worthy". My bad. In this case, I was just trying to point out that posting the same thing three times in a single thread is overkill. I'm not trying to slam KSU in general.

Oh, there's no set number that makes you worthy.