What do you consider 'Fratty'?

[33girl]

Your wardrobe sounds perfect to take in a Steeler game. And let me tell you, there is NOTHING that women up here appreciate more than being treated like helpless southern belles. Come on up sometime! Oh, and make sure you wear a pink polo (collar up) under your Steeler jersey. That will bring you a lot of attention!

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by JackNimble

I am new to these forums. . . . If you aren't comfortable with it then stay out of the thread and leave it for people who want to talk about it.

Or, since you're new to the forum, maybe take a pass on telling those who are not new how to do things, especially when the main thing they have been doing is pointing out how previous threads on this topic -- which may be read by all kinds of people, not just collegiate Greeks -- have turned into train wrecks and celebrations of stereotypes, something that someone who is new might not know.

Welcome to Greek Chat.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Your wardrobe sounds perfect to take in a Steeler game. And let me tell you, there is NOTHING that women up here appreciate more than being treated like helpless southern belles. Come on up sometime! Oh, and make sure you wear a pink polo (collar up) under your Steeler jersey. That will bring you a lot of attention!

Love this.

I didn't even understand half of the original post. Croakies and bowties? I'm pretty much completely lost. I would just about die if I saw any of the fraternity men around here wearing that stuff. I didn't think being "fratty" was a topic of discussion up north. I didn't even know there was a "definition" of that word.

And if anyone tries to treat me like a helpless southern belle, I'd probably tell them to chill out and have a beer... and to take off that damn shirt with the popped collar.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

And if anyone tries to treat me like a helpless southern belle . . . .

Bless your heart. "Helpless Southern belle" is, of course, an oxymoron. There is no such thing.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

Love this.

I didn't even understand half of the original post. Croakies and bowties? I'm pretty much completely lost. I would just about die if I saw any of the fraternity men around here wearing that stuff. I didn't think being "fratty" was a topic of discussion up north. I didn't even know there was a "definition" of that word.

And if anyone tries to treat me like a helpless southern belle, I'd probably tell them to chill out and have a beer... and to take off that damn shirt with the popped collar.

Which I think just goes to the fact that the fraternity atmosphere is markedly different depending on the area of the country. What you'll find in the North does not equal what you'll find in the South, which does not equal what you'll find out West, etc.

I don't see where the "helpless southern belle" thing has come in at all, though. Heck, look at this site - most of the outspoken posters are, in fact, from the South.

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I don't see where the "helpless southern belle" thing has come in at all, though. Heck, look at this site - most of the outspoken posters are, in fact, from the South.

There's a weird romanticizing/demonizing of the South by a lot of people here on GC, none of whom are even from the South. These are the same people who will give advice about SEC recruitment when they don't know the difference between the Greek systems at Vandy, UF, and Arkansas. A lot of these people propel the "helpless Southern Belle" stereotype, since most of us know it's not true.

I don't see this happening with any other region--most people understand that there's a big difference among different sections of New England, for example.

I also find it really funny that many of the "Frattiest" brand names started in the Northeast--Ralph Lauren (nee Ralph Lifschitz), Vineyard Vines, and Brooks Brothers are not what comes to mind when I think of the South! I do see seersucker here pretty regularly, but I think that comes from the circles I run in more than anything else.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

There's a weird romanticizing/demonizing of the South by a lot of people here on GC, none of whom are even from the South. These are the same people who will give advice about SEC recruitment when they don't know the difference between the Greek systems at Vandy, UF, and Arkansas. A lot of these people propel the "helpless Southern Belle" stereotype, since most of us know it's not true.

I don't see this happening with any other region--most people understand that there's a big difference among different sections of New England, for example.

Good points - I do think, though, that people tend to sometimes group everyone in the North together. In other words, there are people who say "Well, I've visited NYC and they were rude, so all Northerners are rude," or people who tend to group New Englanders together (although, as you noted, there are big differences among the states).

Originally Posted by Munchkin03

I also find it really funny that many of the "Frattiest" brand names started in the Northeast--Ralph Lauren (nee Ralph Lifschitz), Vineyard Vines, and Brooks Brothers are not what comes to mind when I think of the South! I do see seersucker here pretty regularly, but I think that comes from the circles I run in more than anything else.

I find this hilarious, especially with regards to Vineyard Vines. I've been to the Vineyard a bunch post-college, and to me it represents everything old-school New England. It's interesting that such a New England landmark has become adopted by the South.

ETA: As to the seersucker, I saw it a lot more in Boston than I do in central CT (although I see it every great once in a while in West Hartford and Farmington).

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by srmom

But, don't you know that part of our upbringing is learning how to work the "helpless Belle" angle to get what we want from witless and stupid men?

Of course, meaning that you're not actually helpless at all -- you know how to use all tools at your disposal to get exactly what you want. I know where the real center of power in the South is.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Of course, meaning that you're not actually helpless at all -- you know how to use all tools at your disposal to get exactly what you want. I know where the real center of power in the South is.

Exactly. I do not believe southern women are helpless in the least. I just know that when the OP says "we treat women like southern belles" that's what HE thinks.

[sigmadiva]

/hijack/

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I don't see where the "helpless southern belle" thing has come in at all, though. Heck, look at this site - most of the outspoken posters are, in fact, from the South.

HELLZZ YEAH!!!!

/end hijack/

[PhoenixAzul]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Your wardrobe sounds perfect to take in a Steeler game. And let me tell you, there is NOTHING that women up here appreciate more than being treated like helpless southern belles. Come on up sometime! Oh, and make sure you wear a pink polo (collar up) under your Steeler jersey. That will bring you a lot of attention!

I LOL'd.