Private Pool Bans Minority Campers

[rhoyaltempest]

I have read remarks here about private clubs being able to do what they want and that's true but they shouldn't then open their doors to the public. Club management was money hungry obviously and opened its doors to public day camps. You can't expect to keep things exclusive and with a specific atmosphere when you do that and I'm sure management knew where this day camp was located and it was not located in their suburban town. They probably changed their minds only after they received complaints from members (and I'm sure there were complaints); who probably threatened to cancel their memberships if the children stayed. You do not just up and decide to return nearly $2000.

If they wish to keep a certain "atmosphere," they should only take day camps in certain areas (and even then there might be a few black kids since some blacks do live in these communities...although the "tokens" are probably okay) or only allow the children/relatives of club members to swim.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by rhoyaltempest

I have read remarks here about private clubs being able to do what they want and that's true but they shouldn't then open their doors to the public.

@bolded. Technically, I wonder how much of imminent domain plays a role in this? The club still uses municipalities to serve its needs, as I understand it, the privacy is contingent on the ability of the club to charge fees for grounds maintenance or moorings. And if they have a restaurant, they still have to follow the public health code. They still pay property taxes and if they are non-profit they cannot be classified as fully rejection exclusive, especially to children.

It brings to meaning: "This ain't your granddaddy's country club anymore... Grow up and be in the 21st century!"

What we are witnessing is severe growing pains to human evolution, IMHO...

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

@bolded. Technically, I wonder how much of imminent domain plays a role in this? The club still uses municipalities to serve its needs, as I understand it, the privacy is contingent on the ability of the club to charge fees for grounds maintenance or moorings. And if they have a restaurant, they still have to follow the public health code. They still pay property taxes and if they are non-profit they cannot be classified as fully rejection exclusive, especially to children.

I think you're combining different concepts here. As far as emminent domain, I highly doubt that a local government would take over a piece of property because of a private group's allegedly discriminatory practices.

As to the rest, those are tenuous ties to government services; too tenuous, in my opinion, to allow the government to come in and enforce certain regulations.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think you're combining different concepts here. As far as emminent domain, I highly doubt that a local government would take over a piece of property because of a private group's allegedly discriminatory practices.

As to the rest, those are tenuous ties to government services; too tenuous, in my opinion, to allow the government to come in and enforce certain regulations.

But who's land is it? If it is the municipalities land, and under the state, which is also under the jurisdiction of the Federal Government, they still have to follow the Civil Rights acts, at some level.

Sure, you'd know more than me. But at some point, like RhoyalTempest said, these people KNEW what they were doing before these kids got to the club--no matter how tenuous this overt blatant act of child abuse this club's membership enacted...

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

@bolded. Technically, I wonder how much of imminent domain plays a role in this? The club still uses municipalities to serve its needs, as I understand it, the privacy is contingent on the ability of the club to charge fees for grounds maintenance or moorings. And if they have a restaurant, they still have to follow the public health code. They still pay property taxes and if they are non-profit they cannot be classified as fully rejection exclusive, especially to children.

It brings to meaning: "This ain't your granddaddy's country club anymore... Grow up and be in the 21st century!"

What we are witnessing is severe growing pains to human evolution, IMHO...

I think you forget that we have a Constitutional right of free association. If that doesn't mean that we can join private clubs and select our membership based on any criteria we want to use, then what exactly does it mean?

Do I like that for some of these clubs, race is obviously an issue? No. It's repulsive. Do I think the government has any place forcing these private groups to accept members they don't want to accept? Nope.

As times change, people will change. Looking back at the past 50 years, we've come a hell of a long way. It's obvious we have a long way to go. I don't think we can simply legislate away the legacy of Jim Crow, etc.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I think you forget that we have a Constitutional right of free association. If that doesn't mean that we can join private clubs and select our membership based on any criteria we want to use, then what exactly does it mean?

Do I like that for some of these clubs, race is obviously an issue? No. It's repulsive. Do I think the government has any place forcing these private groups to accept members they don't want to accept? Nope.

As times change, people will change. Looking back at the past 50 years, we've come a hell of a long way. It's obvious we have a long way to go. I don't think we can simply legislate away the legacy of Jim Crow, etc.

You are reading too much into what I wrote. I said nothing about free association.

As far as we've come, then why in Pennsylvania would you have such an overt blatant act of "changing the complexion" of the pool?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

As far as we've come, then why in Pennsylvania would you have such an overt blatant act of "changing the complexion" of the pool?

Didn't I also say we still had a long ways to go? You can't deny race relations have come a long way since our parents' and grandparents' time.

[AKA_Monet]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Didn't I also say we still had a long ways to go? You can't deny race relations have come a long way since our parents' and grandparents' time.

No denial sweetheart, but can you blame me when I am so guarded, when some bullisht happens like this in PA?

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

No denial sweetheart, but can you blame me when I am so guarded, when some bullisht happens like this in PA?

I think you give Pennsylvanians too much credit.