Hazing types by group type.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by naraht

I was reading the book "Black Greek Haze" when I realized how completely different hazing events are between the NIC Fraternities (Hist White) and the NPHC Fraternities (Hist Black). (Yes, I know that some of the NPHC fraternities have joined NIC as well, their traditions are still related to their fellow NPHC fraternities.)

IMO, Hazing in NIC fraternities more likely than not involves alcohol, if it doesn't involve alcohol, it involves doing something gross, where the brothers are probably at least a body length away.

OTOH, Hazing in NPHC fraternities more likely than not involves physical contact either directly or at short distance and is likely to be something causing physical damage to the body through the skin.

Extending this on, I *think* that NPC (Hist White Sororities) would be much more psychological, with one reason that it might be exposed being a suicide.

As for the NPHC sororities, I *really* don't know if they are closer to the NPHC fraternities or the NPC sororities. The death in the ocean in Los Angeles doesn't quite seem to fit into either category nicely.

My guess is that the NALFO fraternities and sororities would be closer to the NPHC fraternities and sororities.

Comments?

I think you are probably right about any hazing done in NPC groups likely being psychological. Hopefully very little of this is going on since we try to instill in our chapters an environment of love and respect for our new members. As for the suicide....I can't remember seeing any reports of suicides in NPC new member groups. I think more likely, hazing would be reported to the university by a parent, roommate or friend.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I think you are probably right about any hazing done in NPC groups likely being psychological. Hopefully very little of this is going on since we try to instill in our chapters an environment of love and respect for our new members. As for the suicide....I can't remember seeing any reports of suicides in NPC new member groups. I think more likely, hazing would be reported to the university by a parent, roommate or friend.

I guess I was probably reaching in that regard (the suicide)...

Seriously, does anyone have any examples of cases where NPC sorority members were prosecuted for Hazing and what form it took? (Or conversely where the reason that an NPC sorority was either tossed or had a significant number of sisters forced alumni)

Another aspect that really differs between the groups is the *likelihood* of hazing occuring...

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by naraht

I guess I was probably reaching in that regard (the suicide)...

Seriously, does anyone have any examples of cases where NPC sorority members were prosecuted for Hazing and what form it took? (Or conversely where the reason that an NPC sorority was either tossed or had a significant number of sisters forced alumni)

Another aspect that really differs between the groups is the *likelihood* of hazing occuring...

I think for NPC, it was very rare for hazing to cause physical harm. There were definitely some lawsuits in the past. All NPC organizations prohibit hazing in all forms, but you really can't know what a few members may do on their own. The events that have come to light recently have been harmless in a physical sense but hazing, nonetheless, by the standards of our organizations. My chapter was completely non-hazing. I know there are probably some AOII chapters out there that get away with minor things...I just hope that they'll realize that they are putting their entire chapter at risk by doing these stupid activities.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

I think for NPC, it was very rare for hazing to cause physical harm. There were definitely some lawsuits in the past. All NPC organizations prohibit hazing in all forms, but you really can't know what a few members may do on their own. The events that have come to light recently have been harmless in a physical sense but hazing, nonetheless, by the standards of our organizations. My chapter was completely non-hazing. I know there are probably some AOII chapters out there that get away with minor things...I just hope that they'll realize that they are putting their entire chapter at risk by doing these stupid activities.

Though some times the rules from the national limit things that don't make any *legal* definition of hazing...

For example: A chapter has an event where the big/little pairs are given digital cameras and a list of things to take pictures of that are either on campus or within 3 blocks. Each team also includes a Catholic Priest/Nun, a reporter from the School Newspaper and a faculty member. Even if *nothing* happens that the Priest/Nun, reporter or faculty member objects to, some Nationals might consider that hazing...

(A Priest, a school newspaper reporter and a faculty member walk into a bar...)