Michael Vick and Job offer

[PeppyGPhiB]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Ok...Now I am serious...Kobe rebounded well from bad PR and like him or hate him, he is probably better now than he was before so who is to say that Vick can't do the same? He may not command the same kind of money but he still may wind up playing ball somewhere.

If nothing else he still may wind up a social pariah similar to OJ

Kobe was accused of sexual assault, which is terrible, but he was never even tried for it - he alleged it was consentual. What Michael Vick did was, like kstar said, sociopathic. Absolutely scary, unprovoked violence, and incomprehensible in its cruelty to creatures dependent on his care. Very cold, calculated, and apparently serial in its nature. Americans own - and spoil - pets because we appreciate the comfort, joy and companionship they give us, and it is unthinkable to most that anyone would want to harm them for kicks. Michael Vick has something wrong in the head to think that torturing and killing dogs is fun. To me, Kobe has nothing on him. Vick is poison to anyone who involves themselves with him.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Kobe was accused of sexual assault, which is terrible, but he was never even tried for it - he alleged it was consentual. What Michael Vick did was, like kstar said, sociopathic. Absolutely scary, unprovoked violence, and incomprehensible in its cruelty to creatures dependent on his care. Very cold, calculated, and apparently serial in its nature. Americans own - and spoil - pets because we appreciate the comfort, joy and companionship they give us, and it is unthinkable to most that anyone would want to harm them for kicks. Michael Vick has something wrong in the head to think that torturing and killing dogs is fun. To me, Kobe has nothing on him. Vick is poison to anyone who involves themselves with him.

And you have something wrong to be a sexual predator (alleged one anyways) point is...Kobe almost got run out of the league because of it BUt because he was never brought to trial all we got was the tidbits...BUT public opinion court made him out to be a rapist for a very long time.

Vick on the other hand has served his time and paid for his crime...but public opinion court isn't done with him yet...obviously.

[TexasWSP]

Dude he was never almost run out of the NBA. It was a big deal because of his high profile. The press conference with his wife and the hope diamond that he gave her didn't help.

Most people from the get go thought this was a setup. Didn't that slutbag have traces of splooge from multiple guys on her?

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Dude he was never almost run out of the NBA. It was a big deal because of his high profile. The press conference with his wife and the hope diamond that he gave her didn't help.

Most people from the get go thought this was a setup. Didn't that slutbag have traces of splooge from multiple guys on her?

Hah!! Gross!!

But yes. But you know....I guess on who you talk to, the NBA is not as hard on their players when there are rules broken as the NFL is.

i fthat was the case Ron Artest and Latrell Sprewell would have been out a long time ago

[KSUViolet06]

Originally Posted by TexasWSP

Dude he was never almost run out of the NBA. It was a big deal because of his high profile. The press conference with his wife and the hope diamond that he gave her didn't help.

Most people from the get go thought this was a setup. Didn't that slutbag have traces of splooge from multiple guys on her?

There was that, and the fact that she dropped the charges in favor of settling out of court, when she originally said in her statements, "I am not after the money, I just want justice to be served." Riiight. It all just leads me to believe that there was no assault.

[DaemonSeid]

oh yeah...riiight!!!

Wonder where she is now...hmmm...ooohhh GOOOGGGLLEE!!

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by kstar

His "apology" was ridiculous, he spoke of himself in the third person like it wasn't him that did these horrible acts, but another "Michael Vick." Second, it just wasn't sincere. Finally, his actions since then haven't reflected proper remorse.

Totally serious (and not challenging you at all): what could he have done, from prison and while fighting over his money, to "reflect proper remorse" in your eyes? I suspect the answer is (and should be) "nothing" but I'm genuinely curious.

I also have issues in general with the idea of felons serving in the military, which should be full of noble, courageous men and women.

I applaud your idealism, but this isn't even remotely the case today, is it?

[kstar]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Totally serious (and not challenging you at all): what could he have done, from prison and while fighting over his money, to "reflect proper remorse" in your eyes? I suspect the answer is (and should be) "nothing" but I'm genuinely curious.



I applaud your idealism, but this isn't even remotely the case today, is it?

For Vick to actually show that he regretted what he did, he should be doing more than paying for the care of all the rescued dogs. He should be donating 95% of any paycheck that he ever gets to animal charities, I doubt the courts would have fought that. He should be apologizing and meaning it, not talking about the different "Michael Vick"s. He should be voluntarily entering the care of a psychiatrist.

And while it isn't the case today, since more soldiers are dying in an unjust war and causing more people to not want to join the military, it used to be the case that felons were refused, and not just accepted to make quota. Though, I think that more than one felony is still a disqualifying offense, and he has 3?

[PhiGam]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

PhiGam.

With respect to what you said...if you were there and you saw what happened...cool...if not then let's leave it at conjecture...otherwise, a jury found him not guilty and then we KIM.

Now Rae...nah....let's leave him 6 feet above so that every day he breathes he can think about the baby whose life he ruined and the mother that he killed.

Well, knowing what I know there's no way that I can pretend to not hate him.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PhiGam

Well, knowing what I know there's no way that I can pretend to not hate him.

And moving right along...

[KSUViolet06]

Here's a solution to the whole negative press issue:

Don't commit felonies.

[Kevin]

KSU, we're on the same page.

[Thetagirl218]

The only job Vick should have is working at an SPCA as a volunteer and having to scoop up dog poop....

I have no sympathy for a guy who had millions, abused dogs, was sent to prison, and now wants to make more millions...

You had your chance, you blew it!

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by kstar

For Vick to actually show that he regretted what he did, he should be doing more than paying for the care of all the rescued dogs. He should be donating 95% of any paycheck that he ever gets to animal charities, I doubt the courts would have fought that. He should be apologizing and meaning it, not talking about the different "Michael Vick"s. He should be voluntarily entering the care of a psychiatrist.

I LOLd at the bolded. Man that was the best joke I've heard all day!
Personally, I think some people seem to forget that they are simply animals. Doesnt make it right or justify it, but some people place way too much value on animals. That may be the reason why a particular state has 4 times as many animal shelters as women's shelters. Vick financed the dog fighting. He watched dogs fight. Beyond that he has never admitted to or been convicted of actually harming dogs himself. So the calims that he needs to have done to him what he did to dogs are pointless because he didnt actually do anything to the dogs. As far as showing remorse goes, I think he's done that. He should get out of jail and play for any NFL team that wants him. (And there are some teams that could use him.) Hopefully he's been using his yard time wisely and stayed in shape.

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

I LOLd at the bolded. Man that was the best joke I've heard all day!
Personally, I think some people seem to forget that they are simply animals. Doesnt make it right or justify it, but some people place way too much value on animals. That may be the reason why a particular state has 4 times as many animal shelters as women's shelters. Vick financed the dog fighting. He watched dogs fight. Beyond that he has never admitted to or been convicted of actually harming dogs himself. So the calims that he needs to have done to him what he did to dogs are pointless because he didnt actually do anything to the dogs. As far as showing remorse goes, I think he's done that. He should get out of jail and play for any NFL team that wants him. (And there are some teams that could use him.) Hopefully he's been using his yard time wisely and stayed in shape.

I understand what you're saying, as far as an emotional response to what he did; at the end of the day, he's done his time and should be allowed to move on with his life, like anyone else.

But even looking at it from an unemotional, logical point of view, his financing of the dog fights was a big part of what allowed it to happen, at least on that large scale. Allowing the dog fights to happen is "actually harming" the dogs (unless you know of some types of dog fights where no dogs are harmed). I think it's hard to minimize his culpability in this.