Drug Testing for welfare recipients

[madmax]

They won't have a good standard of living. Who cares? They don't have a good standard of living on welfare either. That is life.


What jobs? Like I said before they won't get good jobs but that is their problem. They can get low paying jobs picking tomatos for all I care. I would rather they work for minimum than sit home for minimum.

There are probably some decent jobs too. There are plenty of jobs in healthcare, nursing, energy. I think there is a about a half a million openings for nurses. There are jobs in energy too and the good thing about those jobs is you can't offshore them.

The problem with jobs is you have to work. Most of the welfare recipients are allergic to work. In da hood they are considered sellouts to da man if they go to school and have a job. The welfare recipients are just slackards milking the system. They don't work even when the economy is booming. They should be cutoff cold turkey.

Half of the slackards don't even take care of their own kids. That right there says it all. They are a waste of good air.

[DaemonSeid]

Munchkin and Co... I will preface this by saying that this isn't in direct response to HIM per se, but why there are SO many holes in this passage because unfortunately he isn't the only person that tends to think this way:

Originally Posted by madmax

They won't have a good standard of living. Who cares? They don't have a good standard of living on welfare either. That is life.

The homeless rate would skyrocket and which is the lesser of two evils: having millions live in shanty towns and wandering from place to place unchecked or subsidized housing which at least keeps some of the populace under control? Sorry but you cannot put children out on the street.

Originally Posted by madmax

What jobs? Like I said before they won't get good jobs but that is their problem. They can get low paying jobs picking tomatos for all I care. I would rather they work for minimum than sit home for minimum.

There are probably some decent jobs too. There are plenty of jobs in healthcare, nursing, energy. I think there is a about a half a million openings for nurses. There are jobs in energy too and the good thing about those jobs is you can't offshore them.

And I say AGAIN, if they are unqualified or uneducated, how do you expect them to work in healthcare? Regardless of their poverty level let's ask a simple question: Do you you want someone 21 years of age at the 5th grade math level changing your IV? We have said it before and maybe this point is being missed but you can't hire people for jobs where some of these folks are inadequately tasked to fill the position. Now let's be fair about this, there are training programs that are pushing people off of the welfare roles so let's kill this bullshit about 'these people are too lazy to work' sterotype. Point is, you don't know each and every person in the system enough to quaintify that as fact. Not to mention, there is no telling at how many of these people have degrees and cant find work for God only knows what reason. Hell, NURSES get laid off TOO!

Originally Posted by madmax

The problem with jobs is you have to work. Most of the welfare recipients are allergic to work. In da hood they are considered sellouts to da man if they go to school and have a job. The welfare recipients are just slackards milking the system. They don't work even when the economy is booming. They should be cutoff cold turkey.

See the above statement....and answer this question... Define 'hood'

Originally Posted by madmax

Half of the slackards don't even take care of their own kids. That right there says it all. They are a waste of good air.

prove it.

and BTW since you throwing 'da hood' out there you may want to see this (and if anyone has any updated figures, please feel free to post) and with the growing numbers of Latinos in this country I can't wait to see the new figures after the 2010 census which is right around the corner.

Program Recipients Black White
Social Security (1)
Retirement insurance 26 Million 7.7% 90.4%
Disability insurance 3.7 Million 18.3% 79.3%
Survivor’s benefits 1 .8 Million 24% 72%
Widow’s benefits 4.9 Million 9% 90.1%
Supplemental
Security Income 5.8 Million 26% 48.2%
Aid to Families with Dependent Children (2)
3.8 Million 39.2% 55.2%
Medicare 37 Million 8.1% 88% (3)
Medicaid 33.4 Million 25.1% 46.1% (4)
Food Stamps 27.5 Million 34.9% 42.3% (5)
Women, Infants and Children (WIC) Food Program (6)
5.8 Million 27.8% 44.3%
National Student Lunch Program (7)
44.5 Million 17% 75%
Veterans’ Benefits 26 Million 8.0% 86.4% 8
Housing Subsidies 4.7 Million 40% 46% (9)


SOURCE: http://www.census.gov/

[madmax]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

And I say AGAIN, if they are unqualified or uneducated, how do you expect them to work in healthcare? Regardless of their poverty level let's ask a simple question: Do you you want someone 21 years of age at the 5th grade math level changing your IV? We have said it before and maybe this point is being missed but you can't hire people for jobs where some of these folks are inadequately tasked to fill the position. Now let's be fair about this, there are training programs that are pushing people off of the welfare roles so let's kill this bullshit about 'these people are too lazy to work' sterotype. Point is, you don't know each and every person in the system enough to quaintify that as fact. Not to mention, there is no telling at how many of these people have degrees and cant find work for God only knows what reason. Hell, NURSES get laid off TOO!




SOURCE: http://www.census.gov/

More excuses by DamonSeid.

It is funny that you want to do away with the stereotype of welfare recipients are too lazy to work and then use an example of a 21 year old with a 5th grade education. He must be a real hard worker.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by madmax

More excuses by DamonSeid.

It is funny that you want to do away with the stereotype of welfare recipients are too lazy to work and then use an example of a 21 year old with a 5th grade education. He must be a real hard worker.

No...what's funny is that YOU used a stereotype

They probabley won't get good jobs but that is their problem for thinking they were going to be rappers or NBA stars and not going to school.

In da hood they are considered sellouts to da man if they go to school and have a job.


21 years old with a 5th grade education is a very real thing, THAT is a reality.


Go back and look at the stats I posted yesterday...not everyone on welfare "lives in da hood", wants to rap, or be an NBA baller HOWEVER a good number who ARE on welfare POSSIBLY has a substandard job which is why in most municipalities, anyone ON WELFARE is eligible to take free or very low cost programs to be able to get their GED.

Know the difference.


Has it ever occured to you that on this particular topic (and everytime you attempt to try and diss people who grew up in urban areas) that you sound like you are talking out the side of your neck?

[madmax]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

21 years old with a 5th grade education is a very real thing, THAT is a reality..

That is the problem. Why don't you tell us why there are 21 year olds in your hood with 5th grade educations. I already covered the main reasons. The welfare reciptients are lazy. The parents are idiots and they don't value education. Welfare recipients are like Dallas Cowboys fans, they are the result of bad parenting.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Go back and look at the stats I posted yesterday...not everyone on welfare "lives in da hood", wants to rap, or be an NBA baller HOWEVER a good number who ARE on welfare POSSIBLY has a substandard job which is why in most municipalities, anyone ON WELFARE is eligible to take free or very low cost programs to be able to get their GED..

So what is your excuse for the welfare recipients not having an education? Whose fault is that? Are you going to blame da man for holding you down? It is like you said there are low cost and FREE educational programs.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Has it ever occured to you that on this particular topic (and everytime you attempt to try and diss people who grew up in urban areas) that you sound like you are talking out the side of your neck?

I don't care if the slackards are rednecks living in a trailer on a mountain or from a ghetto. They are all the same in my book. I would cut them all off.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by madmax

That is the problem. Why don't you tell us why there are 21 year olds in your hood with 5th grade educations. I already covered the main reasons. The welfare reciptients are lazy. The parents are idiots and they don't value education. Welfare recipients are like Dallas Cowboys fans, they are the result of bad parenting.


So what is your excuse for the welfare recipients not having an education? Whose fault is that? Are you going to blame da man for holding you down? It is like you said there are low cost and FREE educational programs.

I don't care if the slackards are rednecks living in a trailer on a mountain or from a ghetto. They are all the same in my book. I would cut them all off.

You know what you are a waste of good air...still sterotyping huh? "Da Man...Da Man." You are just as bad as any idiot who actually uses that excuse.

And I bet you are itching to play that race card again...not that kinda game

If it doesn't affect you, why bother?

...that is the attitude you exhibit.

Let me throw this question at you since you are so hell bent on abolishing welfare across the board.

You want to kick everyone off of welfare. Done. Now they are off.

HOW would you go about getting those millions on their feet to be productive Americans since you have effectively made a population of people homeless?


What program would you put in place to make sure these people you kicked off of welfare got adequate house?

What would you do to make sure these people you just kicked off of welfare got a job so they don't take from us tax paying citizens?

What program would you put into place to make sure these people you just kicked off of welfare got adequate mental and physical treatment for drug abuse, poor health habits, and adequate care for children and babies?

How much would you be willing to spend on these programs to ensure anarchy wouldn't come about after you just kicked all of these people off of welfare?

But most importantly since you made a few million of these American citizens homeless where would you be willing to relocate them and at what cost? Who would be responsible for paying for that. Hey, you just displaced these people and I will not let you use my tax dollars to do so, so Mr I Just Kicked All of These Mofos Off of Welfare, what do you do?


I bet you can't answer any of these can you?

[madmax]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Let me throw this question at you since you are so hell bent on abolishing welfare across the board.

You want to kick everyone off of welfare. Done. Now they are off.

HOW would you go about getting those millions on their feet to be productive Americans since you have effectively made a population of people homeless?

I would not do chit. It isn't my job to get some hoodrat on his feet. It is HIS job just like it was my job to get myself on my feet. That is the thing about you Dems, you always want someone to do something for you. Get off your arse and do it yourself.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

What program would you put in place to make sure these people you kicked off of welfare got adequate house?

The slackards that are willing can go back to school. My only programs will be school or jail. The choice is yours.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

What would you do to make sure these people you just kicked off of welfare got a job so they don't take from us tax paying citizens?

Again, the dems are always looking for handouts. Who helped me get a job? Who helped me get a job? Why is it that illegal aliens are able to sneak across the border and find jobs and housing?

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

What program would you put into place to make sure these people you just kicked off of welfare got adequate mental and physical treatment for drug abuse, poor health habits, and adequate care for children and babies?

Nothing

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

How much would you be willing to spend on these programs to ensure anarchy wouldn't come about after you just kicked all of these people off of welfare?

Not much. Again, school or jail. Your choice.

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

But most importantly since you made a few million of these American citizens homeless where would you be willing to relocate them and at what cost? Who would be responsible for paying for that. Hey, you just displaced these people and I will not let you use my tax dollars to do so, so Mr I Just Kicked All of These Mofos Off of Welfare, what do you do?

I didn't make them homeless. They made themselves homeless because they were too stupid to go to school. You are always looking to blame da man for your problems aren't you? Did you learn that from Jeremiah Wright? Even Obama said the families need to do a better job when it comes to education. Whose fault is it that there are 21 year olds in your hood with 5th grade educations?

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I bet you can't answer any of these can you?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

HOW would you go about getting those millions on their feet to be productive Americans since you have effectively made a population of people homeless?

What program would you put in place to make sure these people you kicked off of welfare got adequate house?

What would you do to make sure these people you just kicked off of welfare got a job so they don't take from us tax paying citizens?

What program would you put into place to make sure these people you just kicked off of welfare got adequate mental and physical treatment for drug abuse, poor health habits, and adequate care for children and babies?

How much would you be willing to spend on these programs to ensure anarchy wouldn't come about after you just kicked all of these people off of welfare?

But most importantly since you made a few million of these American citizens homeless where would you be willing to relocate them and at what cost? Who would be responsible for paying for that. Hey, you just displaced these people and I will not let you use my tax dollars to do so, so Mr I Just Kicked All of These Mofos Off of Welfare, what do you do?

I bet you can't answer any of these can you?

I say we do nothing, whatever happened to the idea of taking care of yourself? If this was 200 or more years ago the laziness and ineptness of these people would have killed them off, yet we feel that it's our social responsibility to weaken the human gene pool by allowing them to leech off the people that actually want to make a better life for themselves. Just let Darwinism play out and see who makes it.




Just
kidding

The way i see it is:
I don't see it (testing)as necessarily singling anybody out. Government employees are required to take random drug tests; welfare recepients are on a Government payroll so....WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?

This may be the catalyst to get hundreds or thousands of addicts and abusers the motivation and strength to quit and better the health and lives of them and their family. For sure there will be problems, like everything in life, but honestly I'm not expecting to see any real changes in welfare anytime soon. IT's just one of those topics/policies that causes too much controversy when brought up.

[I.A.S.K.]

Originally Posted by madmax

In da hood they are considered sellouts to da man if they go to school and have a job.

They are a waste of good air.

Its funny how someone who has never been to "da hood" is intent on speaking about what happens in "da hood". A few more questions to add to DS's....
Who are they?
Who is "da man?"
Who considers "them" sellouts?
What are sellouts?
Could you cite the source you've attained this information from?

@ bolded:
Correction, YOU are a waste of good air and good space.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by I.A.S.K.

Could you cite the source you've attained this information from?

B.E.T.

Feel me?

[Honeykiss1974]

May I add that there are also a large amount of people in rural, poor areas that utilize welfare benefits as well (ex. southern states such as Miss., Louisiana, etc.).

Last time I checked, those weren't "da' hood". I'd be interested to see the stats between rural versus urban recipients.