California Want to Legalize, Regulate and Tax Marijuana

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

Oh. QED huh?

What's QED?

Originally Posted by Zephyrus

No offense, but your post on this issue suck. Here's why. You're pissed because you don't want to smell it and you think it effects your health, because of that you want to keep it illegal. If that's the case, then make transportation illegal too. Cars and buses effect your health too, because you breathe in the pollution daily.

Zephyrus, if that's how you feel about my posts then that's o.k. I don't take offense to that. o.k. so you smoke pot. Who cares? I couldn't care less. For all I care, do acid, smoke crack, LSD, sniff cocaine, do whatever...I don't care, it's your body. Just do it on YOUR property or in YOUR OWN home. That's all I'm saying.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

What's QED?

Zephyrus, if that's how you feel about my posts then that's o.k. I don't take offense to that. o.k. so you smoke pot. Who cares? I could care less. For all I care, do acid, smoke crack, LSD, sniff cocaine, do whatever...I don't care, it's your body. Just do it on YOUR property or in YOUR OWN home. That's all I'm saying.

CG...the only thing I would like to point out about your last statement is thateverythign else you just mentioned is either addictive or deadly (usually some fo those goes hand in hand), marijuana is not. Thus the big argument about legalizing it especially as someone so abundantly pointed out earlier with govt's slowly enacting laws for teh cessation of smoking of cigarettes.

Yes, there is a certain anger that comes out about people who smoke weed even stereotypes and to a point I feel the same way but eventually the govt is going to have the final say so on what to do about the herb....

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

CG...the only thing I would like to point out about your last statement is thateverythign else you just mentioned is either addictive or deadly (usually some fo those goes hand in hand), marijuana is not. Thus the big argument about legalizing it especially as someone so abundantly pointed out earlier with govt's slowly enacting laws for teh cessation of smoking of cigarettes.

Yes, there is a certain anger that comes out about people who smoke weed even stereotypes and to a point I feel the same way but eventually the govt is going to have the final say so on what to do about the herb....

Daemon, I see your point, but if the govt. wants to make it legal, that's fine. If people want to get high, then sobeit, just do it at home.

[cheerfulgreek]

Originally Posted by lillady85

CG,
That's the point you don't seem (to me) to get.
Smoking cigarettes is legal. Thus, people can smoke them outside where it is legal.
If marijuana is legal, they can smoke it wherever they want, providing the area is legal as well.

So no, they don't have to do it at home just because YOU don't like it/dislike the smell/don't do it. They can do it outside, in the trees, in the port a potty, so long as it is legal to do it there.

o.k. I get it.
I don't want to talk about it anymore.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by lillady85

CG,
That's the point you don't seem (to me) to get.
Smoking cigarettes is legal. Thus, people can smoke them outside where it is legal.
If marijuana is legal, they can smoke it wherever they want, providing the area is legal as well.

So no, they don't have to do it at home just because YOU don't like it/dislike the smell/don't do it. They can do it outside, in the trees, in the port a potty, so long as it is legal to do it there.

ETA: I guess I'm trying to say, tough luck that it bothers you if they do it while you go past them. However, you're not the legislator nor can you do much about it besides walk away. Just because you want them to do it in their home does not mean they have to. They have a right to be there too.

I feel the same way about alcoholic products.

People have to be responsible...

They have the right to drink but they have to be responsible for any actions incurred by their drinking.

If marijuana becomes legal I am sure that axiom will stand as well.

[AGDee]

And, there are a lot of places where you cannot have an open alcohol container. Many parks, etc. ban alcohol. Just because it's legal doesn't mean people are going to be smoking it everywhere and anywhere.

I think the strongest arguments for legalizing it are:
1) Being able to regulate what people are actually getting. When you buy from someone on the street, you really don't know what you're getting.
2) It's another "sin" that would be taxed and therefore would be a revenue maker for government.
3) Our penal system is busting at the seams and it seems like a better use of resources to focus on those committing violent crimes or crimes against society.

I've said before that I pretty much ascribe to the idea that if it doesn't infringe other people's rights, it should be legal.

Those who say that marijuana is not harmful to your body though are fooling themselves. There is plenty of research that shows that it's harmful to the lungs, brain and liver. My next door neighbor died of liver failure related to his marijuana use. The liver has to filter those toxins, just like it does with alcohol. He wasn't a drinker, but his liver was overtaxed because he smoked a lot of marijuana. We're talking a few joints every day.

A medical marijuana proposal did pass on the November ballot in Michigan. Some folks with Crohn's Disease feel it helps their symptoms a lot. I think if I got really really sick again and a doctor suggested it, I would try it for that. I'd rather not get that sick again though

[PeppyGPhiB]

Here's what the National Institute on Drug Abuse has to say about marijuana: http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
Looks like there's still no positive evidence that smoking pot leads to lung cancer, and the effects on the brain and heart appear to be only acute so far. I've never read anything linking pot to liver damage, and I think it would be difficult to prove...not saying it didn't happen in your neighbor's case, AGDee, I've just never heard or read that before.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB

Here's what the National Institute on Drug Abuse has to say about marijuana: http://www.nida.nih.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html
Looks like there's still no positive evidence that smoking pot leads to lung cancer, and the effects on the brain and heart appear to be only acute so far. I've never read anything linking pot to liver damage, and I think it would be difficult to prove...not saying it didn't happen in your neighbor's case, AGDee, I've just never heard or read that before.

It goes right back to what she was saying...

It depends on what was in the weed he was smoking!

HEH!

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by cheerfulgreek

I could care less.

couldn't care less

Carry on, folks.