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Originally Posted by Kevin
1.Why did Israel not have a right to the land in the first place? 2.Who even cares about that. 3.The six-day war happened, the Arab countries tried to exterminate the Israelis, they got whipped. Sometimes when you go to war and get your ass handed to you, unpleasant things result.
4. As for the ratios, they're meaningless. 5. This is the whole whiny argument that the countermeasures by Israel are not "proportional." What a crock of siht. If we had proportionally responded to 9/11, what would we have done? Flown a couple planes into the two tallest buildings in Afghanistan?
6. Israel has a right to defend its people. Diplomacy has failed for decades. You can't negotiate with someone whose central value is exterminating you. While appearing extreme, dealing a crushing blow to Hamas is about the only way Israel can stop these attacks.
7. The ratios of dead also fail to mention the fact that many of these dead (the great majority) are Palestinian fighters. Many of the rest are individuals purposely placed in harm's way by Hamas as human shields. 8. Israel drops leaflets and tells people to get the hell out of dodge if they don't want to have bombs dropped on them. They are not intentionally targetting civilians. Hamas, on the other hand is packing rockets with metal balls in an attempt to kill as many innocent civilians as possible. There's just no comparison.
9. Finally, as for your "you want to know how to make a terrorist" spiel, I don't think Israel can help that. A reasonably objective Palestinian, at least by western thought standards might view the situation as being mostly Hamas' fault, i.e., if they weren't shooting rockets at Israel's people, the Palestinian people would have food, electricity, shelter and security. Hamas knew that an invasion like this was likely if they continued their activities, and they did so despite repeated warnings. Finally, these folks from Hamas are ordering Palestinian children to locate themselves around probable Hamas targets as human shields.
10. To my mind, if I'm a Palestinian, I'm dragging the nearest Hamas official out into the street and beating him to death for so recklessly endangering my people.
11. As an aside, I find the 'shock' and 'horror' of some at this event to be ridiculous. This sort of thing has been happening in various locations all over the world and on a much grander scale (Darfur, anybody?) and the world community has hardly peeped about it. Is it because you don't like Jews? Is it because you don't think the lives in Darfur are as important as those in Gaza?
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1. Because it was not their land. Because it belonged to other people.
2. The people who have had their land stolen and been pushed into Gaza.
3. Israel is currently trying to exterminate Arabs.
4. WTF? How are these ratios meaningless? I would think recognizing the fact that this "war" is totally one sided and that the majority of people who are being killed are civilians is extremely meaningful.
5. I hardly think that recognizing that Israeli forces are killing more civilians than militants and that it is wrong is being whiny. The ratio also shows that this is not 100% Hamas' fault and it is not a tit for tat killing spree. It is an Israeli killing spree.
6. This statement can be made for both sides. Palestine has a right to defend its people. You cannot negotiate with someone who wants to destroy you. Hamas did in some ways try to keep an agreement with Israel. Israel has chosen to commit unacceptable acts. It is not possible to have peace when you block trade, steal land, and prevent the military from protecting its people. It failed after WWI and it failed with Israel and Palestine.
7. This would make sense if it were true, but it is not. If there are 900 dead and 500 of them are civilians then how is it that the majority are Palestinian fighters? Even American news reports are claiming that half the deaths are civilians (which means that truthfully more than half are). So I dont know what majority you're talking about. At best its 50/50.
8. You're right that there is no comparison. Israel is killing so many more civilians. Leaflets? Seriously? I havent heard of Israel dropping leaflets saying get out of town because we're bombing tomorrow at 3pm. As far as I know there were leaflets that asked civilians to turn in Hamas ops. And droping leaflets makes no sense when there is NO WHERE for the people to go! The UN is saying that Isreal has made it impossible for people to get to safety and/or get help.
9. There is no way Israel could aviod bombing Mosques, schools, UN buildings that the had the EXACT coordinates of? Really?
10. I honestly think that the only reason you can say that is because you are not in Gaza. These people are witnessing innocent family and friends being murdered by Israelis. If I was in Gaza I can say that once the people who are killing my people start bombing schools all bets are off. Why would you beat a Hamas op. when Israeli soldiers are the ones who are killing your people and stealing your land?
11. By any standards this is a horrible situation. Not shocking at all. Just because more heinous acts have occurred and continue to occur does not make this situation any less shocking and horrifying. For the most part no one life is greater than another.
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