The Obama Infomercial

[GeekyPenguin]

My dad took the dog for a walk last night during the informercial and said that almost everyone in the subdivision had it on their TVs. I was surprised to hear that.

I'm also enjoying the level of respectful political discourse in this thread. "Phoney" and "minions" come to mind.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

I'm also enjoying the level of respectful political discourse in this thread. "Phoney" and "minions" come to mind.

Temper tantrums are at hand...

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ajuhdg

I've already warned that he's MUCH further left than he's admitted, and with all of this media talk, I bet he'll go and figure out all the people that voted against him and rope them out too. . . .

. . . That is so sweet of you to smuggle people out. It's probably not necessary though, when Obama's done, we won't even recognize our country! (and I don't mean that in a good way!)

You do realize how very much you sound like some of the crazies on the left when Bush (and Reagan, for that matter) was elected? The level of completely irrational hysteria that an election can bring out on either side is mind-boggling.

BTW, I don't know why you need to warn anyone about him "MUCH further left" than he has let on. Is there anybody who pays attention who doesn't know that he comes from a very liberal viewpoint? Of course, anyone who pays attention would also know that part of the reason that he has gotten endorsements (or at least respectful praise) from some of the conservatives that he has gotten is that they believe he understands that he can only succeed by governing from the center and has shown in his campaign that he surrounds himself with a good team that will not advise governing from the left.

Just say "No" to the irrational fear.

Originally Posted by ThetaPrincess24

And to address someone else...obama changes his opinions all the time like any other politician. Dont accuse just McCain.

Sure, all politicians change their positions from time to time -who doesn't? -- and sometimes those politicians change their positions just to garner votes or support. But if you're calling Obama a "phoney" because he has changed his position on same issues, then don't just accuse Obama. You have got to realize that, by that measure, McCain is a phoney as well. (I'll leave aside the argument that he might be, by that measure, the much bigger phoney.)

[ajuhdg]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

You do realize how very much you sound like some of the crazies on the left when Bush (and Reagan, for that matter) was elected? The level of completely irrational hysteria that an election can bring out on either side is mind-boggling.

BTW, I don't know why you need to warn anyone about him "MUCH further left" than he has let on. Is there anybody who pays attention who doesn't know that he comes from a very liberal viewpoint? Of course, anyone who pays attention would also know that part of the reason that he has gotten endorsements (or at least respectful praise) from some of the conservatives that he has gotten is that they believe he understands that he can only succeed by governing from the center and has shown in his campaign that he surrounds himself with a good team that will not advise governing from the left.

Just say "No" to the irrational fear.

My statement about roping us off was more of a joke.

I'm sorry you think my fear is irrational, but I take seriously the vulnerability I felt on 9/11 as I sat in my German apartment alone, while soldiers with m-16 paced thought the complex. My 'irrational' fear comes from the belief that completely pulling out of Iraq (as Obama believes is necessary) is a BAD idea that will seriously cripple our ability to be taken seriously by any other foreign power. MY decision is based on MY belief that is the most important issue.

Governing from the center? Give me a break. He has NO history of doing anything that wasn't completely biased towards his own party. You said it yourself, "he surrounds himself with a good team that will not advise" sounds a lot like Bush to me. I do pay attention, must be we're watching different stations.

While I have my fears/concerns/beliefs about an Obama presidency, I REALLY do hope that I'm wrong. I'm sure there are those that consider your fervent support for BO as crazy too.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by ajuhdg

I REALLY do hope that I'm wrong.

Don't worry, you are.

[ajuhdg]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Don't worry, you are.

Thanks for the peace of mind, when it happens you'll be the first I concede to!

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by ajuhdg

I'm sorry you think my fear is irrational, but I take seriously the vulnerability I felt on 9/11 as I sat in my German apartment alone, while soldiers with m-16 paced thought the complex. My 'irrational' fear comes from the belief that completely pulling out of Iraq (as Obama believes is necessary) is a BAD idea that will seriously cripple our ability to be taken seriously by any other foreign power. MY decision is based on MY belief that is the most important issue.

I don't mean to be a jerk, but all of this (and you're entire thing about being "WAY" further left than he lets on) is a complete appeal to authority - one of the most pernicious of all logical fallacies.

In short - what proof do you have?

Originally Posted by ajuhdg

Governing from the center? Give me a break. He has NO history of doing anything that wasn't completely biased towards his own party. You said it yourself, "he surrounds himself with a good team that will not advise" sounds a lot like Bush to me. I do pay attention, must be we're watching different stations.

There was a great story in the Boston Globe almost two years ago about Obama as editor of the Harvard Law Review, and how he kept his liberal voice to himself in favor of discourse.

Similar articles have focused on the fact that some black peers at the time thought that Obama's ascendancy would usher in a new era of a predominant black voice, and that they were disappointed by Obama instead choosing to keep with tradition and group voice (cite pending - feel free to read up, though).

In case you're unfamiliar, the Harvard Law Review has one of the most contentious histories of political in-fighting and similar of any publication of its type.

Now, this isn't the end-all/be-all of the argument, but it's at least evidence supporting one side. Have anything against it?

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin

I'm also enjoying the level of respectful political discourse in this thread. "Phoney" and "minions" come to mind.

I actually wouldn't mind the term "phony" if she had just pointed out areas where she thought he was being phony (I'd start with, say, backing out of public funding, or running away from a wealth-distribution model even though it's a perfectly sound conceptual base) - then we could point out all the areas where McCain has openly pandered to the Evangelical Right, maybe we even decide that hey, part of politics is shading the truth to garner votes (aka "everyone's phony so it's a moot point"), and wahlah! We have discourse!

But, alas, pipe dreams are just that - I think I'll acquire dolphin AIDS before a thread goes five consecutive posts without an ad hominem.

Minions, of course, is just hysterical. Like people voting for McCain simply because he's an old, white veteran aren't acting like "minions" in a truly classical sense . . . have you been to a McCain rally lately? It's like a zombie march. ABOOOORTION! NATIONAL SECUURRRRRITY!

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I think I'll acquire dolphin AIDS before a thread goes five consecutive posts without an ad hominem.

L. O. L.

I'll be at the Obama rally tomorrow in Des Moines - any interest in a trip report from (basically) a true independent?

Yes, please!

[ThetaDancer]

Originally Posted by KSig RC

I actually wouldn't mind the term "phony" if she had just pointed out areas where she thought he was being phony (I'd start with, say, backing out of public funding, or running away from a wealth-distribution model even though it's a perfectly sound conceptual base) - then we could point out all the areas where McCain has openly pandered to the Evangelical Right, maybe we even decide that hey, part of politics is shading the truth to garner votes (aka "everyone's phony so it's a moot point"), and wahlah! We have discourse!

But, alas, pipe dreams are just that - I think I'll acquire dolphin AIDS before a thread goes five consecutive posts without an ad hominem.

Minions, of course, is just hysterical. Like people voting for McCain simply because he's an old, white veteran aren't acting like "minions" in a truly classical sense . . . have you been to a McCain rally lately? It's like a zombie march. ABOOOORTION! NATIONAL SECUURRRRRITY!

I'll be at the Obama rally tomorrow in Des Moines - any interest in a trip report from (basically) a true independent? It should be interesting to see what he focuses on, since he's about 19:1 to win at this point.

This is one of the best posts I've read in a while.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by ajuhdg

I'm sorry you think my fear is irrational, but I take seriously the vulnerability I felt on 9/11 as I sat in my German apartment alone, while soldiers with m-16 paced thought the complex. My 'irrational' fear comes from the belief that completely pulling out of Iraq (as Obama believes is necessary) is a BAD idea that will seriously cripple our ability to be taken seriously by any other foreign power. MY decision is based on MY belief that is the most important issue.

And (believe it or not) I repect your opinion on that. I do not share it, but I respect it. My opinion is that it our past actions in Iraq are a large part of what has already seriously crippeled our ability to be taken seriously by foreign powers. I do not believe McCain can reverse that. I do believe that Obama can.

I'm sure there are those that consider your fervent support for BO as crazy too.

Fervent? Mmmkay. ('Course, I give people all kinds of reasons to consider me crazy. )

Governing from the center? Give me a break. He has NO history of doing anything that wasn't completely biased towards his own party.

Originally Posted by KSig RC

There was a great story in the Boston Globe almost two years ago about Obama as editor of the Harvard Law Review, and how he kept his liberal voice to himself in favor of discourse.

Similar articles have focused on the fact that some black peers at the time thought that Obama's ascendancy would usher in a new era of a predominant black voice, and that they were disappointed by Obama instead choosing to keep with tradition and group voice (cite pending - feel free to read up, though).

In case you're unfamiliar, the Harvard Law Review has one of the most contentious histories of political in-fighting and similar of any publication of its type.

Now, this isn't the end-all/be-all of the argument, but it's at least evidence supporting one side. Have anything against it?

That's the kind of thing I'm talking about, and that I think what some conservatives have been talking about. What I have seen shows a value of discourse and looking for common ground above advancing a liberal agenda.

Originally Posted by KSig RC

But, alas, pipe dreams are just that - I think I'll acquire dolphin AIDS before a thread goes five consecutive posts without an ad hominem.

LOL! How did I miss your post earlier. This is one of the best lines I've read on GC in ages.

I'll be at the Obama rally tomorrow in Des Moines - any interest in a trip report from (basically) a true independent?

I'd like to hear your thoughts.

BTW, my wife shook hands with him at a rally yesterday. (ajuhdg, if that equals "fervent" . . . ah well, so be it. )

[VAgirl18]

Now I'm heading to go get tickets to the McCain/Palin Election Night Party. At least I can go enjoy the free food and drinks, right?

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by VAgirl18

At least I can go enjoy the free food and drinks, right?

It's my policy never to pass up the free food and drinks.