Biden / Palin VP Debate, Oct 2nd @ 9PM EST - Page 2

SWTXBelle · #16 09-30-2008, 03:55 PM

I'm just looking forward to the SNL version.

OneTimeSBX · #17 09-30-2008, 04:32 PM

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I was trying to think of one, but they would all lead to alcohol poisoning.

I agree though, these are probably the worst VP candidates ever. And both of the Presidential candiates are very likely to die in office.

i am pretty sure that only one of them will keel over from a heart attack.

however the "other one" goes, well, lets hope its natural causes and not some psycho-idiot on a drug induced rampage.

i was thinking about drinking games too. it was gonna be one shot every time Palin said the word Shore, but then we thought better of it.

ThetaPrincess24 · #18 09-30-2008, 05:04 PM

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I was trying to think of one, but they would all lead to alcohol poisoning.

LOL!

texas*princess · #19 09-30-2008, 08:29 PM

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LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

Maybe you should check how much of that campaign fund for both parties goes directly into the pockets of consultants and campaign managers? Unless you think that Obama or McCain really knew that much about the economy and mortgage-backed securities trading before, oh, 4 months ago?

While it would be ideal to have candidates that fit your mold, I don't think they exist. Palin's failure is 100% a failure of preparation - we're looking for aptitude to become a great politician, and whether by her own fault or the fault of others in preparation, she's not displaying that, even though she has some innate qualities (good public speaker, by all reputation a reputation for efficient and effective work once in office) that should make this relatively easy. McCain has every right to be upset at his staff - they've done a piss poor job. It doesn't even matter whether Palin is particularly well- or ill-suited - their job is to make her into a viable candidate, and that hasn't happened. Whether you give a chef a prime cut of sirloin or the crappiest flank steak, you still expect it to be cooked correctly.

OK then... why are they playing the blame game? Ooooh it's all the fault of those people coaching her!!!

Maybe she should take a little iniatitive and try to figure that stuff out on her own. When we were in college I didn't blame bad grades on anyone else.. I was the only one to blame for that.

I don't expect all politicians to know everything about everything, but at the very least, it's nice when they have an idea what they are talking about so that their answers at least seem legit.

Palin can't even do that.

CrackerBarrel · #20 09-30-2008, 08:36 PM

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OK then... why are they playing the blame game? Ooooh it's all the fault of those people coaching her!!!

"They" aren't. William Kristol (who while conservative is hardly part of the McCain campaign) said in a piece about strategy for the Republican party that McCain is mad at the coaches. I haven't heard the campaign come out and say "It isn't Sarah messing up, it's these retards coaching her!"

Benzgirl · #21 09-30-2008, 08:44 PM

Who is passing the popcorn that night?

BetteDavisEyes · #22 10-01-2008, 12:57 AM

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Who is passing the popcorn that night?

I'll be watching but eagerly awaiting Tina Fey's SNL version.

PhiGam · #23 10-01-2008, 03:26 AM

If they wanted young people to vote then they wouldn't have done this on a thursday night which is college night in normal towns and all you can drink night in college towns.

MysticCat · #24 10-01-2008, 10:29 AM

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Did anyone understand the joke she made today at an Ohio rally about seeing Joe Biden debate since she was in 2nd grade? The crowd was laughing. But if she saw Joe debate since 2nd grade, that means John has been debating long before she was even born.

She was trying to suggest how old and entrenched in the Senate Biden is. An odd strategy, given who her running mate is.

OneTimeSBX · #25 10-01-2008, 10:56 AM

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She was trying to suggest how old and entrenched in the Senate Biden is. An odd strategy, given who her running mate is.

McCain was classmates with Abe Lincoln. did she not get to look at the yearbook?

CrackerBarrel · #26 10-01-2008, 11:09 AM

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She was trying to suggest how old and entrenched in the Senate Biden is. An odd strategy, given who her running mate is.

Well, she was trying to make a point of how much of a Washington insider Joe Biden is. A decent point considering John McCain was still in a prison in Vietnam when Joe Biden was sworn into the Senate for the first time.

DaemonSeid · #27 10-01-2008, 11:29 AM

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Well, she was trying to make a point of how much of a Washington insider Joe Biden is. A decent point considering John McCain was still in a prison in Vietnam when Joe Biden was sworn into the Senate for the first time.

here ya go

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_127543.html

MysticCat · #28 10-01-2008, 11:39 AM

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Well, she was trying to make a point of how much of a Washington insider Joe Biden is. A decent point considering John McCain was still in a prison in Vietnam when Joe Biden was sworn into the Senate for the first time.

Not a very decent point, I don't think, given that McCain has been on the Hill since 1982 and in the Senate since 1986. 36 years makes you a Washington insider but 26 doesn't?

You don't make that point by stressing how long Biden has been in Washington, 'cause that comes back to bite you with McCain, who has also been there long enough to be considered an insider by any reasonable, chronoligically-linked definition. You make that point by pointing out what Biden has done/who he has sided with during his time in Washington.

CrackerBarrel · #29 10-01-2008, 11:51 AM

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Not a very decent point, I don't think, given that McCain has been on the Hill since 1982 and in the Senate since 1986. 36 years makes you a Washington insider but 26 doesn't?

You don't make that point by stressing how long Biden has been in Washington, 'cause that comes back to bite you with McCain, who has also been there long enough to be considered an insider by any reasonable, chronoligically-linked definition. You make that point by pointing out what Biden has done/who he has sided with during his time in Washington.

I didn't say that you compare it to when McCain got there, I said you stress that McCain was still a POW when Biden got there. Because without saying the years you start the thought process of "Well, McCain is pretty old, but he wasn't that old when he was a fighter pilot and that's when he got shot down. Jesus, Biden must have been there forever!"

MysticCat · #30 10-01-2008, 01:17 PM

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I didn't say that you compare it to when McCain got there, I said you stress that McCain was still a POW when Biden got there. Because without saying the years you start the thought process of "Well, McCain is pretty old, but he wasn't that old when he was a fighter pilot and that's when he got shot down. Jesus, Biden must have been there forever!"

I'd agree that if she had said "McCain was still a POW when Biden went to Washington" it would work because that emphasizes that Biden has been there longer than McCain and also suggests that Biden was pursuing political ambition while McCain was a prisoner in service of this country. When she says "I was in second grade when Biden went to Washington," it doesn't work, because then you're just pointing out that Biden has been there a long time. But so has McCain. And it sounds like you're dismissing his experience, while at the same time touting McCain's experience.

Looking at it from the standpoint of preparing a legal argument (which is how I tend to look at these things), it's one of those "don't put it that way" arguments because it invites an easy response that does you no good.