LOST - Season 5

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by IlovemyAKA

lol--you really are.

It wasn't a dream. Kate & Sawyer gave Ben to the Others. He was/will be saved, but loses his innocence as a result.

It always happened. Everything Ben did to the Dharma Initiative happened, too. It looks like the Losties caused it all.

I like how they made sure to say "we can still die because the future already happened." Based on that logic, Who do you think we'll lose in the finale?

yeah...u know what...I got it...now I am trying to remember what movie i saw this in.

[CutiePie2000]

Originally Posted by IlovemyAKA

Kate & Sawyer gave Ben to the Others. He was/will be saved, but loses his innocence as a result.

I understand that Ben becomes an "Other" forevermore going forward, but I wonder whether he returns to live among Dharma again for a time, to be a "wolf in sheep's clothing" as it were? I only ask because where the purge / gassing went on, Ben was in the VW van with his father when Ben put on his own gas mask and then gassed his father.

This whole T.V. series is going to turn into a giant "time loop"...kinda like how Rousseau's S.O.S. message was looping around over and over, for 17 years and counting? Coincidence? Hmmmm.......

eta: Okay, if the purge is supposed to wipe out all of Dharma, except for Ben (being a former Dharma), then how does Ethan become an "Other", when he was born to Dharma parents? More mmmm...... Maybe they don't kill the children, maybe they "adopt" the Dharma children into their Others society.

and I wonder what the "numbers" are? Are they the geographic coordinates of the Island's location?

[DaemonSeid]

Ben was the only one that didn't time travel back there and his shooting dones't change a thing....I don't think

[IlovemyAKA]

This also implies that Charles was in a position of power. I wonder why he was exiled. It's clear he didn't choose to leave because he's been searching for the island for years.

[Thetagirl218]

Originally Posted by IlovemyAKA

This also implies that Charles was in a position of power. I wonder why he was exiled. It's clear he didn't choose to leave because he's been searching for the island for years.

When we last saw Charles at Locke's beside he said that he had been exiled because he was fooled by Ben, just the way Locke had been...

[SydneyK]

Do you all remember, in the episode where Desmond wants to buy an engagement ring for Penny, when Elouise first talked about course-correcting? It became important later on when Desmond was telling Charlie that, no matter what Des did to prevent it, the universe would course-correct itself to ensure that Charlie was going to die.

Anyway, if Elouise was right about the course-correction bit, then how can Faraday be right about "whatever happened, happened?" Those two concepts seem contradictory. What am I not getting here?

[IlovemyAKA]

I don't think they're contradictory. The Losties are still doing whatever they did before to ensure that the future remains intact. It sounds like course-correction to me. For example, Ben still survives even though Jack chose not to help him.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

Anyway, if Elouise was right about the course-correction bit, then how can Faraday be right about "whatever happened, happened?" Those two concepts seem contradictory. What am I not getting here?

Originally Posted by IlovemyAKA

I don't think they're contradictory.

I would agree with you, IlovemyAKA (if I understand you correctly, SydneyK). "Course-correcting" and "Whatever happened, happened" sounds like the same thing. Basically, no matter what you try to do, everything is already set to happen a certain way and there's nothing anyone can do to change it.

[SWTXBelle]

Desmond kicks ass!!!! Yeaaaaaa!

[twinkle555]

omg I felt sick to my stomach when Ben was at the marina!! Pretty good episode tonight!

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

I would agree with you, IlovemyAKA (if I understand you correctly, SydneyK). "Course-correcting" and "Whatever happened, happened" sounds like the same thing. Basically, no matter what you try to do, everything is already set to happen a certain way and there's nothing anyone can do to change it.

You're right. I think I was interpreting "whatever happened, happened" as "whatever was supposed to happen, happened."

So, after last night's episode, I'm wondering whether all these (so-called) dead people (Christian, Alex, Locke) are just manifestations of smokey. I do find it interesting that last night's epi was titled "Dead is Dead", but that doesn't appear to be the case. Makes me wonder if "Whatever Happened Happened" is equally misleading.

I'm loving this show!!

Oh, and I totally agree with SWTXBelle and twinkle555 - Des kicks ass, and the marina scene made my tummy hurt!

[Thetagirl218]

Originally Posted by SydneyK

You're right. I think I was interpreting "whatever happened, happened" as "whatever was supposed to happen, happened."

So, after last night's episode, I'm wondering whether all these (so-called) dead people (Christian, Alex, Locke) are just manifestations of smokey. I do find it interesting that last night's epi was titled "Dead is Dead", but that doesn't appear to be the case. Makes me wonder if "Whatever Happened Happened" is equally misleading.

I'm loving this show!!

Oh, and I totally agree with SWTXBelle and twinkle555 - Des kicks ass, and the marina scene made my tummy hurt!

I disagree about the manifestations to a degree....sure some are projected by the island...I think Christian is a project for Jacob...or maybe he really is Jacob.....

I don't think Locke is a manifestation, I think he is really alive, because the look in Ben's eyes was amazement...

I actually think that now that the island has brought Locke back that he won't age....I think that is what happened to Richard...

I have some thoughts about the smoke monster.....Last night's verified my theory about an Egyptian presence (I thought this when we saw the back of the statue)...Which means the island is thousands of years old....

/Start of History Teacher Rant/

The picture on the wall that Ben looked at before the smoke monster came out of the holes was one of the Egyptian god Anubis. Anubis was one of the guardians of the underworld. It was Anubis that holds the scale that weighs a man's heart after death, thus judging him. While the Book of Death (The main Primary Source we have of Ancient Egyptian burial practices), makes no reference of a "smoke monster", I thought it was an interesting mix of ancient belief with Ben's need for a judgment.

/End of History Teacher Rant/

I was very intrigued by the new Hispanic girl (I don't remember her name)'s question to the pilot regarding the statue....It made me think that we have a new group of Others....

[SydneyK]

Originally Posted by Thetagirl218

I was very intrigued by the new Hispanic girl (I don't remember her name)'s question to the pilot regarding the statue....It made me think that we have a new group of Others....

I hadn't thought about a new group of Others. When Ilana asked, "What lies in the shadow of the statue?", I thought she might be part of a new Widmore team.

Regarding the Egyptian theme, they've been giving us Egyptian hints all along (the first one I remember was when the clock in the hatch reached zero, and the numbers were then replaced with hieroglyphs). One of the most recent Egyptian references was the ankh necklace Amy kept from her first husband, Paul. The statue appears to be holding an ankh in each hand. This post from the fuselage is really interesting: http://forum.thefuselage.com/showpos...&postcount=117

It's a great theory of what the statue might be (complete with screencaps!).

[Senusret I]

That's Thoth...

[IlovemyAKA]

Hurley: Dude, how do you spell bounty hunter?
Miles: Why? What are you writing, your memoirs?

Why in the hell doesn't Hurley know how to spell bounty hunter?