ANTM-Cycle 11

[christiangirl]

Anyway, I missed the first 20 minutes of the show. Can someone fill me in on the challenge and what led to Hanna being called "racist?" I'm surprised that Tyra chose to commend Sheena on coming back to tell the truth in judging rather than flaming her for lying in the first place--not sure most people would've done that, but it was an insightful move considering she already knew the truth. And at Nikeysha's inability to stop talking!

[a.e.B.O.T.]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Anyway, I missed the first 20 minutes of the show. Can someone fill me in on the challenge and what led to Hanna being called "racist?" I'm surprised that Tyra chose to commend Sheena on coming back to tell the truth in judging rather than flaming her for lying in the first place--not sure most people would've done that, but it was an insightful move considering she already knew the truth. And at Nikeysha's inability to stop talking!

Hanna is uncomfortable with Isis, because the tranny thing makes her feel awkward. Well all the girls were in the hot tub, and as Isis was dancing in the middle, she started to get up on Hanna. This made Hanna uncomfortable, so Hanna pushed Isis away.

Later, Geena and Brittany were discussing it with Hanna. Hanna said "well, I am the typical white girl, I am quite and stay to myself etc..." (total paraphrase). This offended Brittany and Geena as they saw it racist...

hence the town hall meeting...

ANYWHO, I don't think Hanna was being a racist, i think she just TOTALLY said the wrong things. She feels different then Brittany and Geena, and she relied on stereotype in order to express who she is. Yes, VERY stupid on Hannah's part and rather ignorant, the comment was racist, but I dont think it was a reflection of Hannah being racists as much as she is ignorant... but Brittany and Geena totally inflammed the situation by making it seem like it was more then it was to Nikeysha and Joslyn, shouting on racism and discrimination. Hannah didn't discriminate at all, so that was a stretch.

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by ajuhdg

Thank you for the completely gratuitous shot of Nigel!

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

So, according to you, it isn't scientists over the centuries who have crafted definitions of male and female based on the qualities of reproductive systems and genetic make-up...I'm the one who made all that up and decided that's how it is.

No you're the one lagging behindthe scientists and deciding that you're right and they're wrong.

I'm flattered at how much stock you put in my opinions, but you're giving me a tad more credit than I deserve.

No, I'm really not.

And not only have you deemed a stranger's posts on a message board "standards of gender for the world," but now you've given Isis diagnosis of GID (alluding to psychopathology) because...why exactly? Because you looked at the set standards of GID and determined that Isis fit the criteria?

Where did I say that Isis has GID? I said she might have such a diagnosis, and I said she is transgender... I described a typical course of treatment for men and women with GID. I don't have enough information to diagnose her, though at a cursory glance she's a good candidate.

Or is it so because you "say so?"

I'm not the one deciding that no matter what psychological and medical standards are, 'I'm right because my way doesn't squick me out.'

Either way, my thoughts are my thoughts and do not effect Isis personally nor do they cause any degree of devastation to humanity. It's really not quite the crisis situation you make it out to be. If you disagree then disagree, but you needn't get this worked up over a forum and a tv show.

Your thoughts are your thoughts. Your comments are insensitve and offensive to people who are transgendered. Discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity exist and you're part of it. Imagine saying "my thoughts are my thoughts and Tyra Banks isn't offended because I made a racially insensitive remark." Tyra (nor Isis) is not the one who'll be offended.

And, bless your heart, if you think I'm worked up you should probably get out more.

[christiangirl]

^^^Those are your opinions and I respect your right to have them. With that being said, this conversation is over. Back to our regularly scheduled thread.

Originally Posted by a.e.B.O.T.

ANYWHO, I don't think Hanna was being a racist, i think she just TOTALLY said the wrong things.

I saw the ep again on Youtube and I totally agree. I think that Hanna has a horrible habit of putting her foot in her mouth. She wasn't discriminating against anyone, but she didn't know how else to describe herself other than using phrases that were totally inappropriate. I felt almost bad for her as she just dug the hole deeper (and the other girls pulling the race card on her didn't help). "Are you prejudiced/racist?" What kind of answer did they expect to a question like that? "Um, of course I am, didn't you know?"

However, I did catch the part just afterward when Hannah said "This is like being gang raped" and that was NOT okay with me. She said it very quickly, but I can't believe she actually compared a snipe attack of some overly hype girls to something that extreme. I think she just needs to understand that certain comparisons and metaphors are not okay to use because of how others will perceive them, no matter how hard you are trying to get your point across. She won't learn that until she gets her butt kicked in only a way that life can.

[RaggedyAnn]

christiangirl,

Would you mind posting the link for the show? I've been trying to find it, but I haven't been able to.

Thanks

[ASUADPi]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

^^^Those are your opinions and I respect your right to have them. With that being said, this conversation is over. Back to our regularly scheduled thread.




I saw the ep again on Youtube and I totally agree. I think that Hanna has a horrible habit of putting her foot in her mouth. She wasn't discriminating against anyone, but she didn't know how else to describe herself other than using phrases that were totally inappropriate. I felt almost bad for her as she just dug the hole deeper (and the other girls pulling the race card on her didn't help). "Are you prejudiced/racist?" What kind of answer did they expect to a question like that? "Um, of course I am, didn't you know?"

However, I did catch the part just afterward when Hannah said "This is like being gang raped" and that was NOT okay with me. She said it very quickly, but I can't believe she actually compared a snipe attack of some overly hype girls to something that extreme. I think she just needs to understand that certain comparisons and metaphors are not okay to use because of how others will perceive them, no matter how hard you are trying to get your point across. She won't learn that until she gets her butt kicked in only a way that life can.

I think you might have missed the point of her "gang rape" remark. She was essentially fed to the wolves. All the girls said was "lets all talk" and then they basically attacked Hannah by calling her racist. She had no clue what she was walking into. That being said, she compared it to being raped. The reality is, women who are raped (or gang raped) don't walk into the situation knowing that is going to happen. That's where her comparision came from. If she had known that they were going to attack her, she most likely wouldn't have walked into the situation, the same as a possible rape victim. Most people aren't "knowingly" going to put themselves in harms way.

That being said I felt Hannah handled the attack with a great amount of dignity. She was calm, she didn't cry in front of them. She said that she wasn't a racist, apologized that they felt she was and said that she was going to bed and walked away. I thought she showed a tremendous amount of class, especially since Joslyn and Brittney obviously have no class (impo).

[KDAngel]

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

That being said I felt Hannah handled the attack with a great amount of dignity. She was calm, she didn't cry in front of them. She said that she wasn't a racist, apologized that they felt she was and said that she was going to bed and walked away. I thought she showed a tremendous amount of class, especially since Joslyn and Brittney obviously have no class (impo).

I'm right there with you. She's from a SMALL town and had no idea what was going to happen to her and she did handle it well.

And she made a great point -- even when it was over for her, the other girls would NOT shut up about it. It was ridiculous.

[christiangirl]

Originally Posted by RaggedyAnn

christiangirl,

Would you mind posting the link for the show? I've been trying to find it, but I haven't been able to.

Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/user/tausili

This user has posted every episode of every season. I heart her.

Originally Posted by ASUADPi

I think you might have missed the point....

No, I understood her point exactly and agree totally with your explanation. But when you think about it, her being blindsided and called names is piddly (at best) when compared to someone who was actually gang-raped. Even though it was horrible in that setting and I couldn't believe those girls went there, for Hannah to claim her experience was even comparable to that is just....I just think it was so hyperbolic that it was a little naive. But as it's a sensitive issue with me, I don't expect everyone to analyze it that deeply. Yes, Hanna did handle herself immensely well. I wouldn't have been that calm about it so I admire her for holding it together and not lowering herself to their standards because the girls seem to be extra snarky this cycle.

[lyrica9]

Originally Posted by KDAngel

I'm right there with you. She's from a SMALL town and had no idea what was going to happen to her and she did handle it well.

And she made a great point -- even when it was over for her, the other girls would NOT shut up about it. It was ridiculous.

Fairbanks is not THAT small, its close to 40,000 people. my former roommate is from there, and the way she talks about it it's not so small-town feeling either.

what she said was idiotic, and offensive, but they could have handled it better and not ambushed her.

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by lyrica9

Fairbanks is not THAT small, its close to 40,000 people. my former roommate is from there, and the way she talks about it it's not so small-town feeling either.

what she said was idiotic, and offensive, but they could have handled it better and not ambushed her.

The whole area has close to 75,000 thousand or so, it is huge. The town proper may have about 40,000 but there are lots of people outside the limits who work and shop in town. I mean they have a giant Sam's Club and more than one Fred Meyer. It isn't like it is my town with 20,000 people, including students.

[APhiAnna]

Lauren Brie is GORGEOUS. I think Clark is the sexiest lil' thing ever on ANTM (haha and I'm straight and I'm still obsessed with her!). Love the girls so far on this season. My predictions? Clearly the winner will not be white/blonde or plus-sized (ANTM NEVER seems to pick winners back-to-back that have the same vibe...probably for diversity in the CoverGirl line-up). The winner will also not be Isis because CoverGirl wouldn't go for it, but she will make it far to make a political point. I think Sheena has a very strong chance because Tyra seems to love having "firsts" for ANTM and there has never been a particularly strong Asian model in the cycles (well, maybe April but that was what? Cycle 2?). The thing I love about ANTM is that it is so political now as opposed to simply being the "best model"...that and how outrageously campy it's become! It's almost like a parody of itself these days which I love.

[APhiAnna]

Oh, and whether or not Hannah is actually from a small town she is making a great strategic move by saying she is. Girls that have the "backstory" or weird twist on their personalities tend to go far or at least get a lot of attention. You'll see a lot on Hannah, Isis, Marjorie (homeschooled/France) and Sheena (because Asian contestants are rare on this show) for those reasons.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by VandalSquirrel

The whole area has close to 75,000 thousand or so, it is huge. The town proper may have about 40,000 but there are lots of people outside the limits who work and shop in town. I mean they have a giant Sam's Club and more than one Fred Meyer. It isn't like it is my town with 20,000 people, including students.

75,000 is huge?

[VandalSquirrel]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

75,000 is huge?

In the context of ALASKA it is huge, and also in the context of my small town in the Lower 48. The second largest city in the state, and it is pretty spread out. I grew up in a city with ten times the population of Fairbanks, in an area less than 50 square miles. The city limits don't include most residents, but there's a lot of political drama people will happily tell you about if you're dumb enough to lsiten.

I realize most people on GC have never been there, and never will, and the whole place just seems bizarre, and it is! After spending the summer 100 miles from Fairbanks, and going to a town with a population of 850 for resupplies, it is like going to Seattle or Chicago. It can be overwhelming and freaky. For all we know she could be from a homestead outside the city, and they said Fairbanks because it may actually be recognized on a map.