Possible Hazing Alleged at Duke

[CrackerBarrel]

Boo freaking hoo.

I understand claims where the fraternity was actually doing something to harm the pledges, but this amounts to nothing more than taking a cold shower and it's a big jump to think the house could reasonably expect that anyone would be hurt by it. I assume he must have got pneumonia (that's the only feasible "injury" I can think of from having cold water thrown on you) and I don't really see them being able to prove that he caught an infectious disease because brothers tossed water on him.

[Tinia2]

crackerbarrel; i believe that somewhere here in rm is a thread or two that are very similar to this.
covered two different issues:
unknown or underlying medical conditions.
hypothermia.
and from what i saw on this very board, someone just died from pneumonia. just as one of my best friends mother did several ago.

so please hold off on your assumptions and defense of the actives until some more information comes out on this.

and we have recently had a thread that touched on us civil law as well. one can always say they have a case. after that, it is up to the court, the judge and perhaps a jury.

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Boo freaking hoo.

I understand claims where the fraternity was actually doing something to harm the pledges, but this amounts to nothing more than taking a cold shower and it's a big jump to think the house could reasonably expect that anyone would be hurt by it. I assume he must have got pneumonia (that's the only feasible "injury" I can think of from having cold water thrown on you) and I don't really see them being able to prove that he caught an infectious disease because brothers tossed water on him.

Originally Posted by CrackerBarrel

Boo freaking hoo.

I understand claims where the fraternity was actually doing something to harm the pledges, but this amounts to nothing more than taking a cold shower and it's a big jump to think the house could reasonably expect that anyone would be hurt by it. I assume he must have got pneumonia (that's the only feasible "injury" I can think of from having cold water thrown on you) and I don't really see them being able to prove that he caught an infectious disease because brothers tossed water on him.

He said that it caused him to have a seizure and go into shock and hyperventilate. Maybe you should read the article before commenting about it.

[Tinia2]

Originally Posted by jessicaelaine

He said that it caused him to have a seizure and go into shock and hyperventilate. Maybe you should read the article before commenting about it.

and this part i truly hope that some one made an error in reading. if an error in the writing, the state legislature should be slapped around:
'Seeger said when Klufas tried to report the incident to Durham Police, officers told Klufas he stood to be arrested as well, because a state statute says that anyone who engages in hazing can be charged.

“It was confusing to me how anybody can say you can be charged in connection with your own hazing,” Seeger said. ' and if it was the cops, i hope ia is having a talk with them.
may need to spend some time looking up state law and campus rules.

added edit: a few other stories with some other information:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2935181
"Klufas said brothers in Alpha Delta Phi, the fraternity he was pledging, made him take off his clothes while they threw cold water on him, according to attorney, Stephan E. Seeger of Stamford, Conn.
“Somebody decides they are going to fix his shivering by pouring warm water on him. The warm water sends him into uncontrollable shivering and shock,” Seeger said.
Seeger said the combination of cold water followed by warm water meant Klufas had to be taken to the hospital.
“The behavior the evening of the hazing is at minimum … reckless behavior that caused life-threatening injuries to my client,” Seeger said."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05272008...ing_112696.htm

"Pledges, blindfolded and stripped to their underwear, were brought into a "very cold basement" in an off-campus Durham house, Seeger said.
Fraternity brothers "proceeded to pelt him [Klufas] with various food, sauces and very, very cold water for a prolonged period of time," Seeger said.
Klufas began "shivering uncontrollably . . . so one of the fraternity brothers decides that he's going to assist Klufas by pouring warm water on him for some time," the lawyer said. Klufas then went into hypothermic shock and was taken to Duke Hospital by members of the fraternity, Seeger said."

http://www.uwire.com/Article.aspx?id=986518
"Seeger said he is "looking forward" to a meeting with national Alpha Delt officials that is in the works. Alpha Delta Phi-which was formerly charted Sigma Alpha Epsilon-was expelled from the national SAE fraternity in 2002 after violations of risk management, including hazing. The expulsion automatically disaffiliated it from the University. The group affiliated with Alpha Delta Phi nationals in 2006."

[Tinia2]

^^^one does have to wonder if the past, prior acts perhaps left a seed or two behind? it has been known to happen.