Plegdes wearing letters???

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I'd be curious to know - do they have voting rights regarding membership? In other words, do new members vote on pnms? I could see a point being made about chapter business other than new members - but surely you have to be an initiated sister to be, say, the new member educator?

You'd have to ask an ADPi, but here is a post where I mentioned it before and linked to other posts -- one about ADPi and one that I'd forgotten about AXO.

Originally Posted by pinksirfidel

All of this talk has really made me start to think... When was it approved/allowed that greeks were allowed to wear other greeks' letters? Many times, our Panhellenic Council will sponsor an event or have some type of promotion where they used tshirts to advertise. The tshirts would include the letters of all participating greek organizations... or.. even some sororities team up with events and advertise the same way... umm, if "new members" can't wear letters, how is it that other greeks can!?!

When this has been discussed before, the consensus has been that shirts like you describe don't imply that you are a member of every organization listed, but just that the organization you are a member of participated in the event or promotion. The issue is wearing letters in a way that indicates that you are a member of the organization whose letters you are wearing,

Even then, some orgs might have guidelines -- Fiji would not allow their letters to be used at all; and as described ad nauseum above, some orgs might allow their names to be spelled out in English but would not allow the Greek letters to be used.

[breathesgelatin]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

I would be interested in knowing when the question of letters became an issue. Certainly those NPC groups formed in the 19th and early 20th centuries could never have imagined their members wearing T SHIRTS as outerwear!!! The pledge pin and member's badge were really the only early insignia. And breathesgelatin, do you know when crests were adopted for NPCs? (paging oldu - I bet he'd know!)
It seems that lettered jerseys hit around - maybe the 50s? Late 40s?

Well, Pi Phi's was adopted in 1912, evidently:

http://www.pibetaphi.org/pibetaphi/aboutus.aspx?id=102

I don't have time to research all of the NPCs, but I would guess that for the earlier orgs the crests were created later (early 20th c.) and for the later orgs the crest was created at the foundation or soon after.

Originally Posted by MysticCat

Even then, some orgs might have guidelines -- Fiji would not allow their letters to be used at all; and as described ad nauseum above, some orgs might allow their names to be spelled out in English but would not allow the Greek letters to be used.

Fiji at W&L put their letters on shirts...

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Fiji at W&L put their letters on shirts...

Really? Hmmm. They actually have a list of the seven places that their letters can be displayed. Per the Wiki:

Phi Gamma Delta limits the written dislay of its Greek letters.[32] In accordance with the fraternity's international bylaws, Fiji chapters and members only portray their letters in the following seven locations:[33]

• On a uniform diamond-shaped member badge

• On the Fraternity's official seal

• On the Fraternity's official flag

• On a chapter house marker

• On memorials to deceased brothers

• On a brother's certificate of membership

• On a brother's official college ring

The fraternity's letters are, thus, considered sacred and are never to be displayed on an object that can be easily destroyed. Whereas other fraternities often display their letters on clothing or other items, this tradition prevents Fijis from doing so. In place of the actual Greek letters, "Fiji," "Phi Gam," or the English spelling of "Phi Gamma Delta" are used in their place.

[breathesgelatin]

MysticCat, I know about the rules, although I don't think I'd ever seen them copied explicitly before. I don't know why FIJI at W&L did that, but they certainly did. Not on all their tshirts... just some.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

MysticCat, I know about the rules, although I don't think I'd ever seen them copied explicitly before. I don't know why FIJI at W&L did that, but they certainly did. Not on all their tshirts... just some.

Oh, I certainly didn't think you had made it up or misread or anything. And I wasn't assuming you weren't familiar with those rules -- they'd just been mentioned enought times in the thread I thought maybe they should be laid out.

I was just surprised, since all the Fijis and Fiji chapters I've ever run across have been real sticklers about those rules.

[alum]

Originally Posted by breathesgelatin

Well, Pi Phi's was adopted in 1912, evidently:

http://www.pibetaphi.org/pibetaphi/aboutus.aspx?id=102

I don't have time to research all of the NPCs, but I would guess that for the earlier orgs the crests were created later (early 20th c.) and for the later orgs the crest was created at the foundation or soon after.



Fiji at W&L put their letters on shirts...

The Kappa coat-of-arms was formally approved by a vote in 1912. It was a 7 year process.
http://www.kappakappagamma.org/Conte...eak_06_Jan.doc