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Old 07-19-2008, 01:09 PM
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Exactly.


And SWTXBelle, I'll refrain from commenting too much on your Boy and Girls Scout analagy, where Scouts have to earn the right to wear certain insignia.
I know, I know. I debated with myself about using it - but you'll note that I didn't use the dreaded "earn". Let me just say (as you know, MC) there is more to the Scouting awards than just fulfilling requirements a, b and c. Those awards are honours in that you also have to have recommendations (I've written quite a few for both Gold Award and Eagle Scouts!) and demonstrate a certain level of character that is hard to measure objectively.

I'd argue that it's the same for many GLO memberships. I steer clear of the word "earn" because it, right or wrongly, suggests hazing. But there are requirements which have to be met - usually a new member education program, a minimum g.p.a., and the subjective character issue. The crest and badge are the outward and visible sign (of an inward and spiritual grace - whoops. wrong org!) of having met the requirements to considered a fully initiated member.

Actually, that suggests an even better analogy. In many Christian churches, you are considered a member upon baptism. It is not until you have gone through a confirmation class and had the bishop lay hands upon you during the rite of confirmation that you are a full-vested member of the church. There are, if you will, levels of membership. You are a member at baptism - but you have godparents who help you in learning what you need to know to be able to function as an adult member of the church upon your confirmation.

My point is that withholding the badge and crest from new members until they have met the criteria for being an initated member is not hazing.
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Old 07-19-2008, 01:54 PM
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My point is that withholding the badge and crest from new members until they have met the criteria for being an initated member is not hazing.
So this is hazing?

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It's the other way around, for AEPhi. Our new members cannot wear letters (per national policy) but our new member pin is the crest with the Greek letters removed.
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