California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

[JonoBN41]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Since for some, homosexuality is a sin, then people can not be born gay.

Who are these "some", these "some" people who are playing God and deciding what's a sin and what is not, and whether people are born gay or not? It sounds blasphemous and unscientific.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by JonoBN41

Who are these "some", these "some" people who are playing God and deciding what's a sin and what is not, and whether people are born gay or not? It sounds blasphemous and unscientific.

Ever been in the 'Bible belt' deep South? These people tend to be protestants who feel they are following the Word of God, not that they are playing God. The way they see it, people are not born bad, it is just their circumstances, life choices that make them that way. Once people realize that they are living a life against the will of God then they need to repent. Once you repent, then you are no longer to commit that particular sin, whether it was stealing, beating some one up, or homosexuality.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by sigmadiva

Ever been in the 'Bible belt' deep South? These people tend to be protestants who feel they are following the Word of God, not that they are playing God. The way they see it, people are not born bad, it is just their circumstances, life choices that make them that way. Once people realize that they are living a life against the will of God then they need to repent. Once you repent, then you are no longer to commit that particular sin, whether it was stealing, beating some one up, or homosexuality.

It's nice that they see it that way.

But "they" may or may not be right, and just because they believe they are doesn't make it so. They're not gods themselves, just simple humans like the rest of us. A choice or accident of where they live makes no difference at all in whether they see things correctly.

Consider this which always bothered me during my early upbringing in a mondo conservative, "Hell, fire and brimstone" Church of Christ In Christian Union. If God is all knowing, all loving, all forgiving -- how can He/She condem someone to eternal damnation in Hell? Why would we have to be "tested?" Especially, if we are born without sin? Why would He/She even offer the option?

I'm an ordained Elder in the Presbyterian Church and believe in God, but still have a lot of questions.

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

It's nice that they see it that way.

But "they" may or may not be right, and just because they believe they are doesn't make it so. They're not gods themselves, just simple humans like the rest of us. A choice or accident of where they live makes no difference at all in whether they see things correctly.

Well, the way "they" see it, you may not be right either, thus, the imapsse on this issue.

Consider this which always bothered me during my early upbringing in a mondo conservative, "Hell, fire and brimstone" Church of Christ In Christian Union. If God is all knowing, all loving, all forgiving -- how can He/She condem someone to eternal damnation in Hell? Why would we have to be "tested?" Especially, if we are born without sin? Why would He/She even offer the option?

I'm an ordained Elder in the Presbyterian Church and believe in God, but still have a lot of questions.

Because you are to come to God willingly, knowing it was your choice to do so.