California's top court overturns gay marriage ban

[Nanners52674]

I'll probably get flamed for this but. . . . using the bible or religious beliefs as ones argument for why there should be a law (state or national) banning gay marriage would not be fair to those who do not believe in that particular religion. Last i checked we had a law that separates church from state, therefore using religious teachings to create laws for America as a whole would violate that.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

I'll probably get flamed for this but. . . . using the bible or religious beliefs as ones argument for why there should be a law (state or national) banning gay marriage would not be fair to those who do not believe in that particular religion. Last i checked we had a law that separates church from state, therefore using religious teachings to create laws for America as a whole would violate that.

If we're going to get technical, the first amendment protects the church from the state...not the other way around.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

If we're going to get technical, the first amendment protects the church from the state...not the other way around.

I know church people love to say that, but the historical record really shows it's to protect each from the intrusion of the other.

ETA: And how could I forget --originally, the First Amendment only applied to the federal goverment. It wasn't until the passage of the Fourteenth Amendment after the Civil War that it became applicable to the states as well. So the original intent of the First Amendment, as much as anything, was to leave the question of religion to the states, some of which did have established churches into the Nineteenth Century.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I know church people love to say that, but the historical record really shows it's to protect each from the intrusion of the other.

Note the "" in my post.

[DSTCHAOS]

Are preciousjeni and nate having a signature war right now?

I hate those.

[preciousjeni]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Are preciousjeni and nate having a signature war right now?

I hate those.

I came in just to see what you were talking about. I can't be held responsible for what nate does (or says).

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

I came in just to see what you were talking about. I can't be held responsible for what nate does (or says).

Um, no, my signature has nothing to do with her. I merely thought the lyrics of better than ezra were appropriately fitting given recent discussions.

And just thought I would give any newcomer liberals fair warning when they quote my text.

[kstar]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

If we're going to get technical, the first amendment protects the church from the state...not the other way around.

Actually no, it grants freedom OF AND FROM religion. You can practice any religion you want and you cannot have religion forced upon you. The second part is why people object to having religious based morality determining law.

[nate2512]

Originally Posted by kstar

Actually no, it grants freedom OF AND FROM religion. You can practice any religion you want and you cannot have religion forced upon you. The second part is why people object to having religious based morality determining law.

So what does determine law? Who gets to decide what is moral and what is not moral?

[sigmadiva]

Originally Posted by Nanners52674

I'll probably get flamed for this but. . . . using the bible or religious beliefs as ones argument for why there should be a law (state or national) banning gay marriage would not be fair to those who do not believe in that particular religion.

That is why, thankfully in this country, we get to vote to express our beliefs.