Gays in fraternites (pt. 2)

[jlenoconel]

Originally Posted by PANTHERTEKE

I really don't see a problem with having gay guys in a chapter as long as they fit in. Emphasis on that last part.

Would we extend a bid to a flamboyant homosexual with pink hair and a rainbow t-shirt? No, because he wouldn't fit in with our chapter.

However, if a young man has things in common with our chapter, has something to offer to the Fraternity, and doesn't let his homosexuality define who he is as a person, then I don't see why anyone would deny him a bid.

We have an openly gay brother in my chapter. Granted, he isn't flamboyant and doesn't let his homosexuality define who he is-- many people are surprised when they find out he's gay. And although he might get teased about it sometimes (but honestly, everyone in my chapter gets teased about SOMETHING), at the end of the day we love him just as much as we love any other brother.

In fact, he was diagnosed with cancer recently. He went out of the country to get treated and came back tonight for our Senior Roast, and when everyone saw him we all went up to him, hugged him, and told him how we had missed him. He's an awesome brother and has given a lot to our fraternity.

Sorry to have gotten sidetracked, but what I'm basically saying is the following: if a guy fits in with the chapter, gets along well with the actives, has something to offer, and wants to be a part of the Fraternity (whether he's straight or gay) then it shouldn't be a problem.

I bsically agree with everything you just said. Someone's sexuality shouldn't define them, and I agree that a flamboyant gay man would probably not fit into a fraternity simply for the fact that the brothers would have little in common.

[62231]

For the sake of discussion, I have to disagree with several of you.

To me, the worst part about being gay isn't the whole taking it up the butt thing (which I find pretty terrible in itself- exit only!). It's the fact that I find it so immoral and gays don't. What else do they find acceptable that I believe is completely appalling?
I would struggle to overcome their general viewpoints in order to be their friend.

[jlenoconel]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

For the sake of discussion, I have to disagree with several of you.

To me, the worst part about being gay isn't the whole taking it up the butt thing (which I find pretty terrible in itself- exit only!). It's the fact that I find it so immoral and gays don't. What else do they find acceptable that I believe is completely appalling?
I would struggle to overcome their general viewpoints in order to be their friend.

Maybe you should just mind your own business about people's sex lives then.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jlenoconel

Maybe you should just mind your own business about people's sex lives then.

Stop acting like a butt hurt wimp and get out of here. You asked the question....you're getting answers.

Deal with it.

Personally, if we rushed somebody and he hid from us the fact that they were gay, I would be pretty pissed. Personally I think a bunch of men in a fraternity house environment have a right to know. Some are highly offended of homosexuality and would have high moral objections to living with one. That's just the way it is sport.

[jlenoconel]

I am offended you're such a cock! So, would you tell me that you banged your mother last night if I was in your fraternity, or that you licked your dog's nuts?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by jlenoconel

I am offended you're such a cock! So, would you tell me that you banged your mother last night if I was in your fraternity, or that you licked your dog's nuts?

And you lose.

[SWTXBelle]

[barbino]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

ABSOLUTELY........................................ .....THE BEST!!!!!!

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by jlenoconel

I am offended you're such a cock! So, would you tell me that you banged your mother last night if I was in your fraternity, or that you licked your dog's nuts?

[shinerbock]

I can't tell if this is real or not.

But anyway, a couple of points:

1) Someone mentioned that you may get out in the real world and find that you do share interests with gay people. Yeah, I suspect that is true. However, being gay is a pretty big deal in that it impacts how you live your life, and often your ideology. It is similar to heritage or religion or any other aspect of life that touches on a lot of things. So yeah, there is probably a dude out there somewhere almost exactly like me, but gay. However, most aren't, and they're the exception rather than the rule. My fraternity is mostly Christian southern guys. I don't hate gay people, but most people wouldn't condone that lifestyle either. So the better question is, why are you so concerned with getting involved in something where you'd obviously feel out of place?

2) A fraternity is not a "we accept everyone" organization. I could give a damn if my fraternity reflects the exact diversity of my campus or city or state or the US. I simply don't care. I didn't join it to be a part of a microcosm of society, I joined it to be around people who share common interests and values. I didn't join it to be exposed to a range of differing viewpoints, I joined it because I get along with the people and considering I spent a ton of time around them, it was a great thing that we agreed on a lot.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by jlenoconel

I am offended you're such a cock! So, would you tell me that you banged your mother last night if I was in your fraternity, or that you licked your dog's nuts?

.....and I'm offended that you're such a whiny, cry baby homosexual. What gives?

Nice attempt at trying to spin that around on me. Unfortunately I'm going to have to chalk that up as a loss. Sorry to rain on your parade, but I have never had sex with my mother, nor have I let a dog "lick my nuts." The thought of both of those is both disgusting and heinous.

If you're gonna pull this kind of shit, you better step you're game up a little bit Sally.

[starang21]

Originally Posted by jlenoconel

Maybe you should just mind your own business about people's sex lives then.

maybe you shouldn't join an organization where a significant portion of the membership vehemently disagrees with your lifestyle. you're joining them. they're not joining you.

[jlenoconel]

What lifestyle? My lifestyle is the same as yours except I prefer men! So if you prefer black women over white women, do you not have a lifestyle!?

[starang21]

Originally Posted by jlenoconel

What lifestyle? My lifestyle is the same as yours except I prefer men! So if you prefer black women over white women, do you not have a lifestyle!?

no, it's not. you're delusional. and you're trying to join an organization where a significant portion of the membership disagrees with your lifestyle. and yes, that means they disagree with you liking men.

and i do prefer black women over white women. why would i join an organization where most of the membership would vilify me because of such? if you're so adamant in going against the grain, then you're gonna have to deal with the repurcussions of such action and thus should quit complaining. you know what you're getting into.

[jlenoconel]

OK, so its ok for you to date black women and me not date a guy. It would have been funny to see you grow up in the 60's!