Sean Bell's Killers (NYC Cops) Walk

[texas*princess]

It was sad to hear the news When I initially heard the story I couldn't believe it, and was sure the guys who needlessly shot him would be put in jail at the very least.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by texas*princess

It was sad to hear the news When I initially heard the story I couldn't believe it, and was sure the guys who needlessly shot him would be put in jail at the very least.

Please....in the 10 years since Amado Diallu was shot...only one officer was ever found guilty.....they will protect thier own.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Please....in the 10 years since Amado Diallu was shot...only one officer was ever found guilty.....they will protect their own.

Just had this sudden thought, sort of off topic thread but close enough, of just how many Peace Officers have been shot in the past 10 years?
And how many have died?

And I just heard the latest from The Rev.
"We are going to shut down this City"
"We are making plans, we are having meetings on just where and when to do so".
"We know how to strategically shut down this City".

Does any of that sound or seem like civilized negotiation or conversation?
Does making everyone else's life in NYC worse help help anyone or anything?
Does taking resources away from public safety (up to and including anti-terrorism) help anyone or anything?
Does the additional cost to the tax payer help anything or anyone?

Or does it sound, particularly in this day and age, like a terrorist threat??

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by jon1856

Just had this sudden thought, sort of off topic thread but close enough, of just how many Peace Officers have been shot in the past 10 years?
And how many have died?

And I just heard the latest from The Rev.
"We are going to shut down this City"
"We are making plans, we are having meetings on just where and when to do so".
"We know how to strategically shut down this City".

Does any of that sound or seem like civilized negotiation or conversation?
Does making everyone else's life in NYC worse help help anyone or anything?
Does taking resources away from public safety (up to and including anti-terrorism) help anyone or anything?
Does the additional cost to the tax payer help anything or anyone?

Or does it sound, particularly in this day and age, like a terrorist threat??

at least 11 officers have died since 2001.... but still we are talking about UNARMED citizens who in most cases were in the wrong place at the wrong time when these cops decided to fill them up with lead.

A terrorist threat?

As long as any protest march or whatever is PEACEFUL, there is no threat unless they plan on killing...mind you last month there were protesters here in DC who shut down and disrupted portions of the city that day because they were protesting the war....they blocked traffic, disrupted the IRS...MY office (Dept of Vet Affairs) and so on....

But.....we didn't call them terrorists....so what are you playing at Jon?

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

at least 11 officers have died since 2001.... but still we are talking about UNARMED citizens who in most cases were in the wrong place at the wrong time when these cops decided to fill them up with lead.

A terrorist threat?

As long as any protest march or whatever is PEACEFUL, there is no threat unless they plan on killing...mind you last month there were protesters here in DC who shut down and disrupted portions of the city that day because they were protesting the war....they blocked traffic, disrupted the IRS...MY office (Dept of Vet Affairs) and so on....

But.....we didn't call them terrorists....so what are you playing at Jon?

I am getting at just what he said.
Did anyone in DC make that kind of statement?
If that was picked up as "chatter" by NSA, what would the response be?

And it was one day, not an on going matter of days and locations.
As I indicated in my list.
And the news has already indicated several attempts to incite, from within, the groups of protesters.

And when, not if, something does happen the cops hands are now tied up.
For anything they do, is going to be wrong per Rev Al.

Have seen it happen before.

FYI-People do wonder, and have for a long time, if Rev Al has people working both sides of the street when he does his protests.
Washington is not the only city known for it "secrets"/"whispers".

And as they will not have permits, just what are these "marches" going to be? Humm?
And comments/actions of this sort could be taken as threats/extortion.. Hummm?

[shinerbock]

I do think the same people who are outraged about this incident should be outraged about people killing cops. I'm sure many are, and hopefully they're just as vocal about that as they are about this. But I'm also sure that many aren't, and that is unfortunate.

But, I don't want to say that this isn't worthy of outrage because of possible hypocrisy. I'd much rather any such people raise their level of outrage about cop killings than lower their outrage about this.

But about what Al said, I found the comments a bit much. It is a tough line to draw, and maybe he also made it abundantly clear what type of action he's speaking of. But at first glance, those comments seem a bit open-ended for being so inflammatory, and though there may be nothing wrong with his intentions and sentiments, I suspect there are many people who respond to Sharpton's message and may not share his civility. Given his earlier remarks, which I found to be pretty composed, I'm surprised at his statements. Especially considering some of the other bad situations he's found himself in.

[Kevlar281]

It's a really dumb statement to make. Especially if the protest goes bad. Sometimes all it takes is a few troublemakers to escalate a legal protest to a full scale riot.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by jon1856

And I just heard the latest from The Rev.
"We are going to shut down this City"
"We are making plans, we are having meetings on just where and when to do so".
"We know how to strategically shut down this City".

Sounds good!

I shut 'em down (shut 'em down, shut 'em, shut 'em down!!!)

I'm sure he isn't advocating a riot but rather a protest. People have mobilized protestors for less.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Sounds good!

I shut 'em down (shut 'em down, shut 'em, shut 'em down!!!)

I'm sure he isn't advocating a riot but rather a protest. People have mobilized protesters for less.

As pointed out by others, it only takes one or two to change that situation rather quickly.

And as I indicated, it is questioned if those kind of people who are inclined to change matters in that fashion have a "connection to Al.

And even if they do not, turns ugly fast.

And the matter still gets turned around onto the cops once again.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by jon1856

As pointed out by others, it only takes one or two to change that situation rather quickly.

And as I indicated, it is questioned if those kind of people who are inclined to change matters in that fashion have a "connection to Al.

And even if they do not, turns ugly fast.

And the matter still gets turned around onto the cops once again.

and I really hate to bring it up...but...

How quickly people forget....

20,000 went to Jena 6 ( a town of 5,000) and shut the town down....no arrests (except for the idiot with a noose in a truck try to incite a riot) altho some assumed that it would turn into a riot.

I can't say that the same will happen in NYC but one should not assume that a riot will happen !

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and I really hate to bring it up...but...

How quickly people forget....

20,000 went to Jena 6 ( a town of 5,000) and shut the town down....no arrests (except for the idiot with a noose in a truck try to incite a riot) altho some assumed that it would turn into a riot.

I can't say that the same will happen in NYC but one should not assume that a riot will happen !

The biggest fish fry in this country's history? Don't get me started on Jena but I agree with your point.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by jon1856

As pointed out by others, it only takes one or two to change that situation rather quickly.

So? This is the case with every mobilization effort in the world.

SHUT UP EM DOWN.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by jon1856

As pointed out by others, it only takes one or two to change that situation rather quickly.

And as I indicated, it is questioned if those kind of people who are inclined to change matters in that fashion have a "connection to Al.

And even if they do not, turns ugly fast.

And the matter still gets turned around onto the cops once again.

And Jon, it only takes inflammatory assumptions like in your first sentence to lead down the slippery slope of infringing on civil liberties. Denying citizens their rights to peaceably assemble and redress grievances is how totalitarian governments squelch the voice of the people. Trying to justify it by inciting fear of violence before anything even happens is manipulation at its worst.

I also caught how you made sure to refer to "peace" officers in an earlier post. That title has not been earned by the police officers in this case. That does not mean that citizens as a whole distrust or don't see the need for police officers in general (who at their best, are "peace" officers). But it does mean that when someone who wears a badge blatantly does something wrong, the badge shouldn't protect them from being held accountable. Which is too often the case.

And another person said something about people needing to get as upset about police officer shootings as they are in this case. I think people's sympathies are always with officers (and their families) who are lost while they are faithfully executing their duties. However, name a case where a police officer was killed in a hail of 50 bullets, the shooters were caught, and they walked.

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

And Jon, it only takes inflammatory assumptions like in your first sentence to lead down the slippery slope of infringing on civil liberties. Denying citizens their rights to peaceably assemble and redress grievances is how totalitarian governments squelch the voice of the people. Trying to justify it by inciting fear of violence before anything even happens is manipulation at its worst.

I also caught how you made sure to refer to "peace" officers in an earlier post. That title has not been earned by the police officers in this case. That does not mean that citizens as a whole distrust or don't see the need for police officers in general (who at their best, are "peace" officers). But it does mean that when someone who wears a badge blatantly does something wrong, the badge shouldn't protect them from being held accountable. Which is too often the case.

And another person said something about people needing to get as upset about police officer shootings as they are in this case. I think people's sympathies are always with officers (and their families) who are lost while they are faithfully executing their duties. However, name a case where a police officer was killed in a hail of 50 bullets, the shooters were caught, and they walked.

Do you know/understand the term Peace Officer? If not:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_officers
Covers the reasons I used the term.

As for Peace Officers being shot and shooters getting away with it; while I do not have a case in hand in the back of my mind I d believe that it has happened.
I will look around for it.
And since you brought it up, perhaps you too can see what evidence is out there.

I did find this story:
2 plead guilty in Atlanta police shooting death

Manslaughter pleas come after 3 officers indicted for killing elderly woman
ATLANTA - Two police officers pleaded guilty to manslaughter Thursday in the shooting death of a 92-year-old woman during a botched drug raid. A third officer was also indicted in the woman’s death.
Gregg Junnier, 40, who retired from the Atlanta police force in January, pleaded guilty to manslaughter, violation of oath, criminal solicitation and making false statements.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18328267/

And Rev Al has yet to show any interest in this:
Off-duty Md. officer fatally shot by city police
http://www.policeone.com/officer-sho...y-city-police/