Status of all-male chapters

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Failing to provide equal access to the fraternity on any college campus is disrespect of women.

The chapters' desire to remain all-male is now irrelevant.

It's over.

They lost.

Good day, sir.

[gamma_girl52]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Failing to provide equal access to the fraternity on any college campus is disrespect of women.

The chapters' desire to remain all-male is now irrelevant.

It's over.

They lost.

Good day, sir.

As long as you have Conventions and the right to bring issues to the floor for voting, it's never over

I was going to add more, but in my lane I shall stay.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by gamma_girl52

I was going to add more, but in my lane I shall stay.

Thanks.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by gamma_girl52

As long as you have Conventions and the right to bring issues to the floor for voting, it's never over

I was going to add more, but in my lane I shall stay.

You can come in my lane Ranita if you need to. Don't be intimidated.

(I stocked up on nearly 16 years of deference).

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

You can come in my lane Ranita if you need to. Don't be intimidated.

(I stocked up on nearly 16 years of deference).

Deference went out the window when you renounced your Alpha Phi Omega membership.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Deference went out the window when you renounced your Alpha Phi Omega membership.

What about my A-Phi-Q/Viking membership? (oh, I forget, you aren't one).

Never mind.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

It's over.

It ain't over until the fat man f[rea]ks.

That notwithstanding, I personally would prefer the remaining all-male chapters would go the route of Sigma Xi, perhaps even forming an "Alpha Phi Omega Society" or something to that effect, similar with what Alpha Delta Phi did when they encountered a similar predicament.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

They lost.

A mutually agreeable compromise or separation agreement between the co-ed and all-male constituencies would work wonders in resolving this issue once and for all. Your f[oul]ed up attitude of "we win, you lose", does nothing but harbor more bad blood within the organization and only serves to drag out the issue that much further and that much longer. It does nothing to solve the problem, it only creates an illusion that the problem is solved. I guarantee you the issue is far from over.

Hint: that is why we need a win-win resolution that is mutally agreeable to all parties.

[naraht]

[QUOTE=KAPital PHINUst;1636531]It ain't over until the fat man f[rea]ks.

That notwithstanding, I personally would prefer the remaining all-male chapters would go the route of Sigma Xi, perhaps even forming an "Alpha Phi Omega Society" or something to that effect, similar with what Alpha Delta Phi did when they encountered a similar predicament.

Alpha Delta Phi was only under internal pressure. They were quite within their legal rights to pull the charters of those chapters which had admitted women and deny those brothers at those schools the ability to use the name Alpha Delta Phi. The Title IX pressures only go one way, a group which is Social doesn't have to be single gender...

As for whether as a solution that would legally protect Alpha Phi Omega fraternity from the legal issues of the society, I don't know...

[AndrewPiChi]

there were several chapters that left the fraternity in 1976

Some formed locals, some formed nationals, all to the best of my knowledge died however.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by AndrewPiChi

there were several chapters that left the fraternity in 1976

Some formed locals, some formed nationals, all to the best of my knowledge died however.

I would like any information that you have on any of them. I only know of three organizations for men that came out of Alpha Phi Omega efforts. One is Phi Rho Eta (greek for Frank Reed Horton's initials?) originally out of SIU-Carbondale, thereis Theta Beta Phi which came out of a failed extension effort at University of Maryland Eastern Shore, and now Alpha Delta at Maine-Orono. (And the Theta Xi chapter at SLU)


Sincerely
Randy
(National History and Archives cmte.)

[arvid1978]

Originally Posted by naraht

One is Phi Rho Eta (greek for Frank Reed Horton's initials?) originally out of SIU-Carbondale

Yes, they were formed in the early 90's when Zeta Nu was having membership problems. As I understand, they were told that in order to come off of suspension, they had to come back co-ed. Those who were ok being co-ed stayed, those who didn't left and formed Phi Rho Eta. Zeta Nu eventually lost their charter a few years later for hazing. This is all second hand info though, from an alum of my chapter who was regional membership chair during this timeframe. I keep meaning to read the file in the archives at the Nat'l Office to corroborate.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by arvid1978

Yes, they were formed in the early 90's when Zeta Nu was having membership problems.

Thank you for the additional information.

Randy

[naraht]

Originally Posted by AndrewPiChi

there were several chapters that left the fraternity in 1976

Some formed locals, some formed nationals, all to the best of my knowledge died however.

Any information on such groups would be welcome.


The only fraternites that I've heard of that have been created from groups that were Alpha Phi Omega chapters (or close) at one time are:

Phi Rho Eta from a group at Southern Illinois Carbondale. Jesse Bridge's pages (http://members.tripod.com/~APQGSS/newaindex.html) say that they were formed in the 1980s. But the pages for the Fraternity say 1994 (http://www.phirhoeta.org)


A group that formed out of the failed Alpha Phi Omega extension to University of Maryland Eastern Shore in the mid 1990s. Not sure if it is still around, they had a web page at least of a few years ago.

Alpha Delta. 2008. Chapters at U of Maine, Duquesne U. and Drexel U.

[naraht]

Originally Posted by naraht

Any information on such groups would be welcome.


The only fraternites that I've heard of that have been created from groups that were Alpha Phi Omega chapters (or close) at one time are:

Phi Rho Eta from a group at Southern Illinois Carbondale. Jesse Bridge's pages (http://members.tripod.com/~APQGSS/newaindex.html) say that they were formed in the 1980s. But the pages for the Fraternity say 1994 (http://www.phirhoeta.org)


A group that formed out of the failed Alpha Phi Omega extension to University of Maryland Eastern Shore in the mid 1990s. Not sure if it is still around, they had a web page at least of a few years ago.

Alpha Delta. 2008. Chapters at U of Maine, Duquesne U. and Drexel U.

The group from the Maryland Eastern Shore extension attempt was Theta Beta Phi.

Also, reading through the 1992 History Book, the APO chapter at Baylor (Zeta Omega) in 1972 unanimously voted to end the groups affiliation with Alpha Phi Omega and became Phi Kappa Alpha. In 1976 Phi Kappa Alpha applied to become a colony of Sigma Alpha Epsilon and in 1977 they received their charter from Sigma Alpha Epsilon. So I guess Phi Kappa Alpha, while it didn't last that long belongs in the list.

[PADFSUGirl2K2]

After reading these posts, I honestly think I am starting to regret my membership. It is apparent that women will still be beneath most men but I am thankful that there some men who believes in equal footing. My other organization is co-ed but I have yet to experience any beef with my bruhs there.