Status of all-male chapters

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

1) I found it interesting that this young lady considers the relationship equal -- that's an extremely cordial working relationship, but it's definitely not equality.

Some may get offended at this post; oh well, that's life:

A woman doesn't need to have a penis in order to be equal to me as a man.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

Some may get offended at this post; oh well, that's life:

A woman doesn't need to have a penis in order to be equal to me as a man.

Nor does she need a penis to be your Alpha Phi Omega Brother.

[arvid1978]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Nor does she need a penis to be your Alpha Phi Omega Brother.

Huge co-sign to that.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Nor does she need a penis to be your Alpha Phi Omega Brother.

*edited because I thought the message would get lost in the metaphors*

(at bolded) You are absolutely correct and I have never treated women as less than an equal as an ALPHA PHI OMEGA brother. However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

However, I do respect the desires of those chapter that want to be or wish to be all male. You can respect and support the wishes of all-male chapters without disrepecting women. The two are not mutually exclusive.

Failing to provide equal access to the fraternity on any college campus is disrespect of women.

The chapters' desire to remain all-male is now irrelevant.

It's over.

They lost.

Good day, sir.

[gamma_girl52]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

Failing to provide equal access to the fraternity on any college campus is disrespect of women.

The chapters' desire to remain all-male is now irrelevant.

It's over.

They lost.

Good day, sir.

As long as you have Conventions and the right to bring issues to the floor for voting, it's never over

I was going to add more, but in my lane I shall stay.

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by gamma_girl52

I was going to add more, but in my lane I shall stay.

Thanks.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by gamma_girl52

As long as you have Conventions and the right to bring issues to the floor for voting, it's never over

I was going to add more, but in my lane I shall stay.

You can come in my lane Ranita if you need to. Don't be intimidated.

(I stocked up on nearly 16 years of deference).

[Senusret I]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

You can come in my lane Ranita if you need to. Don't be intimidated.

(I stocked up on nearly 16 years of deference).

Deference went out the window when you renounced your Alpha Phi Omega membership.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by Senusret I

It's over.

It ain't over until the fat man f[rea]ks.

That notwithstanding, I personally would prefer the remaining all-male chapters would go the route of Sigma Xi, perhaps even forming an "Alpha Phi Omega Society" or something to that effect, similar with what Alpha Delta Phi did when they encountered a similar predicament.

Originally Posted by Senusret I

They lost.

A mutually agreeable compromise or separation agreement between the co-ed and all-male constituencies would work wonders in resolving this issue once and for all. Your f[oul]ed up attitude of "we win, you lose", does nothing but harbor more bad blood within the organization and only serves to drag out the issue that much further and that much longer. It does nothing to solve the problem, it only creates an illusion that the problem is solved. I guarantee you the issue is far from over.

Hint: that is why we need a win-win resolution that is mutally agreeable to all parties.

[naraht]

[QUOTE=KAPital PHINUst;1636531]It ain't over until the fat man f[rea]ks.

That notwithstanding, I personally would prefer the remaining all-male chapters would go the route of Sigma Xi, perhaps even forming an "Alpha Phi Omega Society" or something to that effect, similar with what Alpha Delta Phi did when they encountered a similar predicament.

Alpha Delta Phi was only under internal pressure. They were quite within their legal rights to pull the charters of those chapters which had admitted women and deny those brothers at those schools the ability to use the name Alpha Delta Phi. The Title IX pressures only go one way, a group which is Social doesn't have to be single gender...

As for whether as a solution that would legally protect Alpha Phi Omega fraternity from the legal issues of the society, I don't know...

[AndrewPiChi]

there were several chapters that left the fraternity in 1976

Some formed locals, some formed nationals, all to the best of my knowledge died however.

[PADFSUGirl2K2]

After reading these posts, I honestly think I am starting to regret my membership. It is apparent that women will still be beneath most men but I am thankful that there some men who believes in equal footing. My other organization is co-ed but I have yet to experience any beef with my bruhs there.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by PADFSUGirl2K2

After reading these posts, I honestly think I am starting to regret my membership. It is apparent that women will still be beneath most men but I am thankful that there some men who believes in equal footing. My other organization is co-ed but I have yet to experience any beef with my bruhs there.

Please don't do feel that way.

Those who think that women are not equals in APO or don't belong in the Fraternity are in the (vocal) minority.

[arvid1978]

Originally Posted by PADFSUGirl2K2

After reading these posts, I honestly think I am starting to regret my membership. It is apparent that women will still be beneath most men but I am thankful that there some men who believes in equal footing. My other organization is co-ed but I have yet to experience any beef with my bruhs there.

GreekChat isn't exactly a microcosm of Alpha Phi Omega, and it isn't "most men" that feel this way considering that only 13 of 363 (3.5%) practice gender discrimination. I wouldn't regret your decision if I were you. The all-male contingency is a quickly shrinking fringe group who seem to be stuck on decisions made 30 years ago without taking modern times into consideration.