% of students greek or # of chapters on campus

[violetpretty]

Originally Posted by Lucky SC

well im biased towards the SEC for obvious reasons because of my UGA and USC connections.

One more time, I'm not arguing that other schools are stronger/better than the SEC, but merely coming up with a way to define strength. Stop trying to turn this into a North/South pissing contest.

Originally Posted by Lucky SC

but if you read my original post, i said its the socials, philanthropy, student gov and group invovlement, and numbers of other things that determine strength. Not the number of chapters or people.

If you read MY original post, I said that quantitative and qualitative factors together determine strength. Do I need to define quantitative and qualitative for you? I was agreeing with you that size alone can not determine a strong Greek community.

Originally Posted by Lucky SC

MIT for example has 50% greek system, can you really expect that to be a very fun, greek environment? I mean thats great that they go to MIT, best tech school in the country hands down... but people don't go to that school to live the greek life you think of... partying and putting so much time into the GLO

When you say "you" do you actually mean yourself, LuckySC, were you addressing me, violetpretty, or did you mean "the Greek life ONE thinks of"? Do you actually know any people that go to Ivies or schools almost as competitive? A lot of them have a "work hard party hard" motto. Do you know anything about Dartmouth's Greek scene?

Maybe you can understand this analogy: I view partying and tradition as the "icing on the cake". The cake is what makes a Greek community strong (read my first post in this thread for that description), and the icing is other perks that some people like but are not a necessary part of how I define strength.

[Lucky SC]

Originally Posted by violetpretty

One more time, I'm not arguing that other schools are stronger/better than the SEC, but merely coming up with a way to define strength. Stop trying to turn this into a North/South pissing contest.

If you read MY original post, I said that quantitative and qualitative factors together determine strength. Do I need to define quantitative and qualitative for you? I was agreeing with you that size alone can not determine a strong Greek community.


When you say "you" do you actually mean yourself, LuckySC, were you addressing me, violetpretty, or did you mean "the Greek life ONE thinks of"? Do you actually know any people that go to Ivies or schools almost as competitive? A lot of them have a "work hard party hard" motto. Do you know anything about Dartmouth's Greek scene?

Maybe you can understand this analogy: I view partying and tradition as the "icing on the cake". The cake is what makes a Greek community strong (read my first post in this thread for that description), and the icing is other perks that some people like but are not a necessary part of how I define strength.

I have friends at both Princeton and Brown, some went greek, the other 2 kids are playing baseball for princeton so they didn't join a GLO.

And to me the most important part of the whole thing is the social aspect, i mean as much as you would like to believe that (for example) a Sigma Chi is going to help out any other Sigma Chi around the country, that just aint gonna happen. You aren't going to hire someone based off of their fraternal background rather then job qualification. I think people put a little bit too much emphasis on the "perks" of going greek. It's overwhelmingly a social thing, you get a lot of driven people in them who do a lot on campus because that is the type of people they attract, driven people will strive for excellence no matter what and sign up for lots of stuff. No matter how strong your greek system is, its not gonna shape out the leaders of America, its kids in college having a good time, class is where that happens.

If anything, GLO's that have a lot of legacy and aren't necessarily as big are more likely to stick together and help eachother get a leg up in the job market, because of how much time they have gotten to known eachother and stuff they have gone through, not because named fraternity was both pinned on them at one time.

and i wasn't making this into a pissing contest for the North or South, Geographically that is where i feel the strongest systems are... theres plenty of schools in the south that i would argue aren't that good. I just think schools overall in the South Eastern Conference have better then average systems.

and i think qualatative has a lot more to do with it then quantative.

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by Lucky SC

I have friends at both Princeton and Brown, some went greek, the other 2 kids are playing baseball for princeton so they didn't join a GLO.

And to me the most important part of the whole thing is the social aspect, i mean as much as you would like to believe that (for example) a Sigma Chi is going to help out any other Sigma Chi around the country, that just aint gonna happen. You aren't going to hire someone based off of their fraternal background rather then job qualification. I think people put a little bit too much emphasis on the "perks" of going greek. It's overwhelmingly a social thing, you get a lot of driven people in them who do a lot on campus because that is the type of people they attract, driven people will strive for excellence no matter what and sign up for lots of stuff. No matter how strong your greek system is, its not gonna shape out the leaders of America, its kids in college having a good time, class is where that happens.

If anything, GLO's that have a lot of legacy and aren't necessarily as big are more likely to stick together and help eachother get a leg up in the job market, because of how much time they have gotten to known eachother and stuff they have gone through, not because named fraternity was both pinned on them at one time.

and i wasn't making this into a pissing contest for the North or South, Geographically that is where i feel the strongest systems are... theres plenty of schools in the south that i would argue aren't that good. I just think schools overall in the South Eastern Conference have better then average systems.

and i think qualatative has a lot more to do with it then quantative.

Hey, Lucky, I've usually enjoyed your posts, but I have to say, for someone who's basically only been on the periphery of the greek system so far, you're talking out of your a$$ throughout most of this post.

[Lucky SC]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

Hey, Lucky, I've usually enjoyed your posts, but I have to say, for someone who's basically only been on the periphery of the greek system so far, you're talking out of your a$$ throughout most of this post.

maybe i'm not getting my wording right, and i'm not trying to bash anyone else's greeks AT ALL.

But basically in short after all the tangents i know i have gone off on, I think that simply because 80% of your school does it, doesn't make it any stronger.

theres my point i guess.
i can see where some of what i'm saying would be interpreted as offensive, so this probably isn't going anywhere.
I resign from this thread lol