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Old 04-14-2008, 06:09 PM
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yeah...and my thing is, even if the government didn't 'invent' it...they sure as hell aren't stopping it and how it has permeated urban culture...especially since black consumers aren't even the biggest consumers of the genre now.
You actually think the government could do that even if it wanted to?
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Old 04-14-2008, 06:37 PM
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You actually think the government could do that even if it wanted to?
Hmmmmmm

The US banned 2 Live Crew altho by todya's standards thier lyrics would be tame

Khia, Snoo Dog and Necro has been banned from Austrailia

Canada is working on banning 50 Cent because he promotes gun violence..DMX is already on that list

The government can ban whoever they want at anytime...they have banned not just rappers but country artists, metal...whatever...if it's determined to be a negative influence to somebody...best believe they can ban it....


Oh...and before you do.....try plain talking beofre yougo running off at the Court TV mouth.


Be nice to see you try holding a regular human convo sometimes....

I don't do lawspeak

BTW....take a gander at this link: http://www.freemuse.org/sw6907.asp
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Old 04-14-2008, 06:42 PM
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Hmmmmmm

The US banned 2 Live Crew altho by todya's standards thier lyrics would be tame

Khia, Snoo Dog and Necro has been banned from Austrailia

Canada is working on banning 50 Cent because he promotes gun violence..DMX is already on that list

The government can ban whoever they want at anytime...they have banned not just rappers but country artists, metal...whatever...if it's determined to be a negative influence to somebody...best believe they can ban it....



Oh...and before you do.....try plain talking beofre yougo running off at the Court TV mouth.


Be nice to see you try holding a regular human convo sometimes....

I don't do lawspeak

BTW....take a gander at this link: http://www.freemuse.org/sw6907.asp
The government shouldn't stop it. That's not its place.

As I'm learning in my Community Counseling class this semester (well, relearning) follow the money. It leads to why the genre developed and was marketed after the emergence of a few successful artists.

Looked at your link: videos banned on MTV is different than the government doing something. Churchs and radio stations boycotting the Dixie Chicks is different than the government doing something. Maybe the larger issue you should examine is why MTV is more likely to ban sex than violence and the overall societal perceptions. It's not something limited to gangsta' rap.
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Old 04-14-2008, 06:52 PM
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The government shouldn't stop it. That's not its place.

As I'm learning in my Community Counseling class this semester (well, relearning) follow the money. It leads to why the genre developed and was marketed after the emergence of a few successful artists.

Looked at your link: videos banned on MTV is different than the government doing something. Churchs and radio stations boycotting the Dixie Chicks is different than the government doing something. Maybe the larger issue you should examine is why MTV is more likely to ban sex than violence and the overall societal perceptions. It's not something limited to gangsta' rap.
Drole...and this where I am going....we as a society at large are selective as to what we want banned and to be quite honest with you and blunt...as long as rap culture doesn't start affecting affluent populations, it's no big deal...let thme listen to all the hip hop rap that they want....

other countries have banned hip hop artists because they state that the genre is having an adverse affect among the population so part of what we in the US need to be observant on is how long will it be before the USA starts taking the same stance...

On a somewhat unrelated note remember the big shift the media took after Nipplegate but yet and still you had Diana Ross feeling Lil Kim up and Madonna kissing Brittany on MTV and no one batted an eye.

The FCC lost thier minds afterwards because of the 'adverse affect' people said it (Janet's performance) had on kids.

yet and still kids at any time could tune in on an act of violence.

This is why I said IF the gov't wanted to they could act, but they aren't,instead they are leaving it up to the parents to do it (which in some cases, parents should)

it's almost and dmaned if you do and damned if you don't situation.


wait...i just remembered law and order is on

And of course while watching the 7pm episode it starts off with someone getting shot up in a diner...and not 5 mins after I finished typing my ETA up a kid blows his brains out...and it's only 7:15 pm.

Drole...something to consider

The American media has been slowly letting the genie over the bottle over the past 1/2 century

Think....

50 years ago married couples on TV slept in separate beds, 25 years ago the same beds....today you can find an interacial gay couple almost in the nude in bed in 8pm time slot (not trying to be offensive to gay people...just trying to make a point!)

50 years ago it was all about gee willikers and aww shucks....25 years ago....you heard damn....20 years ago joan Collins gave bitch a brand new meaning and today unless you are watching a paid premium channel you wont hear shit or fuck (altho I still think about the South Park episode!!) and depending on the show you can hear the n word.

I can go on and you see where I am going with this...it's just that when it comes to who should be allowing what it's a 2 faced beast...on one hand the FCC limits certain things but appears helpless to stop others....

yes....the responsibility falls mostly on the parents but when we are talking about parents who are desensitized and raised on most of this also...who can really say?
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Old 04-14-2008, 07:27 PM
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Hmmmmmm

The US banned 2 Live Crew altho by todya's standards thier lyrics would be tame

Khia, Snoo Dog and Necro has been banned from Austrailia

Canada is working on banning 50 Cent because he promotes gun violence..DMX is already on that list

The government can ban whoever they want at anytime...they have banned not just rappers but country artists, metal...whatever...if it's determined to be a negative influence to somebody...best believe they can ban it....
What country artists have been banned by the government?

Same with metal?

I'm not arguing (for the love of God I'm not so don't start in).

I remember the whole Tipper Gore, Twisted Sister thing...but I don't think they banned anything. Freedom of speech and expression came in to play.

That was the case that caused the warning labels to be put on cd's with questionable material, if I'm not mistaken.

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Old 04-14-2008, 07:39 PM
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What country artists have been banned by the government?

Same with metal?

I'm not arguing (for the love of God I'm not so don't start in).

I remember the whole Tipper Gore, Twisted Sister thing...but I don't think they banned anything. Freedom of speech and expression came in to play.

That was the case that caused the warning labels to be put on cd's with questionable material, if I'm not mistaken.
Yes you are correct...but since you asked (and no I am not being smart aleky) do a lil google reseach around the web...you will be surprised.


Heck even Elvis was banned in some localities back in the day for lewdness


Oh and BTW remember the Dixie Chix got banned for anti Bush lyrics. (I stand corrected...they were banned by thier company...not the gov't...however thier ban caused a senate hearing to be convened to see if what happened was legal)

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/...ent_id=1930521 (heheh..Ironic...check out who was on the panel!)


what I will say tho...is that there are many other countries that have a heavier stance towards banning US artists and thier performance of their music in thier country...
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