Spring Break Mistake?

Matsimela · #1 03-26-2008, 12:12 PM

thats so sad that so many of you would actually deny someone a bid just because they have a tattoo.

33girl · #2 03-26-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Matsimela

thats so sad that so many of you would actually deny someone a bid just because they have a tattoo.

It is not so many of US that would do that - it is the Greek system at the OP's particular school. I am guessing that 99% of the people posting on this thread would not do that and also find the concept repugnant. So before you get on your soapbox, read and comprehend the whole thread.

Matsimela · #3 03-26-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

It is not so many of US that would do that - it is the Greek system at the OP's particular school. I am guessing that 99% of the people posting on this thread would not do that and also find the concept repugnant. So before you get on your soapbox, read and comprehend the whole thread.

dont get your panties in a bunch sweetheart. like i said to someone else on this thread, i dont condone denying a bid to anyone who may potentially be an asset to the org whether that means giving bids to 1 or 1000. But i ALSO stated that my organization does not rush or have any type of quota so i dont have to find reasons to deny someone a bid because my applicant pool doesnt exceed a number that i may have to adhere to. Likewise if that is how a chapter or organization chooses to operate than to each his or her own. perhaps you did not read and comprehend my post for its intended meaning. Whatever the case may be, you need to relax.

More specific to the tattoo issue, if the tattoo does reflect an attitude that is possesed by the interested lady that is in direct conflict with organizations goals, mission and or purpose then that IS grounds for not extending a bid.

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SWTXBelle · #4 03-31-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by 33girl

It is not so many of US that would do that - it is the Greek system at the OP's particular school. I am guessing that 99% of the people posting on this thread would not do that and also find the concept repugnant. So before you get on your soapbox, read and comprehend the whole thread.

I just wanted to co-sign, and say that this is still relevant.

catiebug · #5 03-31-2008, 01:31 PM

I <3 SWTXBelle.

gee_ess · #6 03-26-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Matsimela

thats so sad that so many of you would actually deny someone a bid just because they have a tattoo.

People are denied bids every year because of lots of things that might seem ridiculous. I would bet that you can even think of a less than stellar reason your chapter cut someone. I believe someone said earlier that when you are cutting over 300 girls after round one, you grasp at many different ways to help you do that.

Matsimela · #7 03-26-2008, 10:46 PM

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People are denied bids every year because of lots of things that might seem ridiculous. I would bet that you can even think of a less than stellar reason your chapter cut someone. I believe someone said earlier that when you are cutting over 300 girls after round one, you grasp at many different ways to help you do that.

well my org doesnt rush and doesnt have quotas or whatever the case may be like i read about other orgs having so we dont deny bids for riduculous reasons. i've seen people try but to my knowledge it hasnt happened in my chapter. Even if it did i wouldnt condone it. But then again like i said, we dont have any quotas or rush so our applicant pool doesnt require us to deny hundreds of people, if that makes sense to you. I guess to truly understand the quandry at hand i'd have to be in the same position as other people and vice versa.

Obviously if the tattoo is one that is offensive and reflects an attitude that contradicts the mission and purpose of the org then yes, i can understand denying a bid but just for the plain fact that the interest or pnm has one shouldnt be the deciding factor in my mind. everyone is entitled to their opinion and if that is how a particular chapter or org overall operates than to each his or her own.

SWTXBelle · #8 03-26-2008, 10:51 PM

So, your org takes anyone who walks through the door? Interesting . . .
and might I add that NPC membership selection is 1.) private and 2.) more complicated than a tattoo. The op asked a question, and it was answered realistically. In competitive recruitments small things may matter. EVERYONE makes judgements on seemingly small things - if you apply for some jobs a tattoo will count against you. Whether it is fair or not, the fact is that the first impression you make is hard to overcome if it is negative.

Matsimela · #9 03-26-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

So, your org takes anyone who walks through the door? Interesting . . .

I dont know if you were talking about me but if you were, of course the answer is no. We take ladies that show a legitimate interest in our organization, live their life according to the morals set forth by our org, and will be a benefit to our sisterhood. c'mon now. just because we dont deny people for frivolous reasons (which is the point i've been trying to make by the way) doesnt mean we dont deny people at all. as im sure is true with most organizations, greek or not.

SWTXBelle · #10 03-26-2008, 11:05 PM

As you stated, you have NO IDEA what goes into NPC membership selection. You admitted that, but can't seem to stop commenting. You are not helping the original poster - so what is your point?
NPC groups have literally hundreds - sometimes thousands - of young women who want to be members. In order to preserve the sisterhood that is such an important part of our groups, we have to limit our size. Just because that isn't your GLO's problem doesn't mean you should comment on those groups who do have it. We can have so many otherwise qualified women coming thorugh recruitment that seemingly small things like tattoos might come into play. And again, appearance does count, in recruitment, in job interviews, in life. It is neither good nor bad, it just IS. And if your appearance is going to reflect on our group, then it is something that has to be considered. It shouldn't, imho, be the most important, but realistically speaking it is a factor. Everyone here has stated that it shouldn't cost you a bid, but it could count against you. So, original poster, covering it up would be in your best interest.

33girl · #11 03-27-2008, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Matsimela

I dont know if you were talking about me but if you were, of course the answer is no. We take ladies that show a legitimate interest in our organization, live their life according to the morals set forth by our org, and will be a benefit to our sisterhood. c'mon now. just because we dont deny people for frivolous reasons (which is the point i've been trying to make by the way) doesnt mean we dont deny people at all. as im sure is true with most organizations, greek or not.

So you never ever ever denied someone membership because you just plain didn't like her - even if she fit all the above requirements?

Yep. That's what I thought.

SWTXBelle · #12 03-26-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Matsimela

thats so sad that so many of you would actually deny someone a bid just because they have a tattoo.

This would be where you started to get into trouble. The point of previous quotes was not that anyone here would deny someone a bid just because they have a tattoo, but in a competitive SEC recruitment it would possibly be a negative. You passed judgment ("That's so sad . . " is a judgemental statement) and now want to plead that you are the poor picked upon victim. Of course you are going to be "called out" when you do that.
You really, REALLY are not in a position to help the op. You don't know anything about the type of recruitment she has chosen to go through, so can't give her advice. I wouldn't dream of advising anyone interested in your group as to how to go about having a successful experience, because I am not qualified to do so.

eta - We don't need to see the tattoo to know whether or not ANY tattoo would be problematic. And the people BEST able to comment are those SEC NPC members who have taken the time to post.

ΑΓΔSquirrelGirl · #13 03-29-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

This would be where you started to get into trouble. The point of previous quotes was not that anyone here would deny someone a bid just because they have a tattoo, but in a competitive SEC recruitment it would possibly be a negative. You passed judgment ("That's so sad . . " is a judgemental statement) and now want to plead that you are the poor picked upon victim. Of course you are going to be "called out" when you do that.
You really, REALLY are not in a position to help the op. You don't know anything about the type of recruitment she has chosen to go through, so can't give her advice. I wouldn't dream of advising anyone interested in your group as to how to go about having a successful experience, because I am not qualified to do so.

eta - We don't need to see the tattoo to know whether or not ANY tattoo would be problematic. And the people BEST able to comment are those SEC NPC members who have taken the time to post.

Even in a non-competitive school, tattoos can be an issue. It's not unreasonable, it depends. If I have a tattoo on my side or something, where it is not normally going to be seen that won't even know. If I have a large, very visible tattoo on my neck, that might be a problem. It CAN send the wrong message. Many work places would have a large problem with it...in a professional setting, it's an issue. At a very competitive school, where girls HAVE to be cut for sometimes shallow reasons, it's not unreasonable to expect that something like that would hurt.

Tattoos are permanent, and it's always such a HORRIBLE idea to get one on impulse. A good rule of thumb, in my opinion, is that if you're sitting in the tattoo parlor picking a design off of the wall, you are making a mistake. I plan on getting one that I've drawn myself, but I've spent a long time thinking about it and it will be in a place that will show only in a bathing suit. You have to realize what tattoos and piercings can do for you in a professional setting. In general, that is to say, nothing good.