Tiers in The SEC

[nittanyalum]

I understand abuse is abuse. But I'm talking about even just recreational use here. Macallan seemed to imply that I should get as upset about someone drinking as I would about someone doing cocaine (again, I assume we're talking "recreationally").

ETA: This post was in response to DSTChaos, but I want to note that I also very much agree with EE-BO's last paragraph -- this is what my base concern is.

[macallan25]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I understand abuse is abuse. But I'm talking about even just recreational use here. Macallan seemed to imply that I should get as upset about someone drinking as I would about someone doing cocaine (again, I assume we're talking "recreationally").

ETA: This post was in response to DSTChaos, but I want to note that I also very much agree with EE-BO's last paragraph -- this is what my base concern is.

No no, I wasn't saying you should feel that way.....I was just throwing it out there to see how you would respond.

In some past experiences I have been around some raging, fall down drunks (not that you are one haha) talk about how sad and deplorable it is for people to do hard drugs, smoke a little grass, etc. It always makes me shake my head and laugh.

Yeah though, recreational drinking, I think, is a little different than recreational use of drugs like cocaine. Two different animals, for sure.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by nittanyalum

I understand abuse is abuse. But I'm talking about even just recreational use here. Macallan seemed to imply that I should get as upset about someone drinking as I would about someone doing cocaine (again, I assume we're talking "recreationally").

[I don't know if we disagree here or are even talking about what my initial post was talking about. But here goes just for clarity. ]

I don't believe in a recreational use of illegal substances. They are illegal for a reason (whatever the different reasons are, the law has spoken).

You already get the point about alcohol: If recreational alcohol use includes irresponsibility and regular binge drinking, it has similar effects as getting high on drugs. But if the person is over 21, it isn't a legal issue unless there is a law being broken.

But none of these truly compare to the most deadly legal substance: CIGARETTES. BAN THEEEE TO HELL!!!!

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

I don't believe in a recreational use of illegal substances. They are illegal for a reason (whatever the different reasons are, the law has spoken).

Now you're defending racism? Excellent. The law also spoke on Jim Crow and so forth for awhile.

Drugs have become illegal because of racism and prejudice. Opium was associated with the "dangerous" Chinese immigrants. Marijuana with the Mexicans. The first laws against Marijuana in the United States (there were many laws FOR marijuana up to then) was in 1910 in Utah (I believe) in fear of the Mexicans. Cocaine was associated with the black subcultures, more specifically the Jazz scene which caused them to be illegal. Mushrooms, Acid, etc were out of fear for the hippies and the possibility of an oncoming revolution. It's not until much more recently have we began trying to protect people...I think the 1970's was the first time you could make a case perhaps.

Either way, none of this has anything to do with SEC tiers.

Coke is prevalent in my chapter as well as many of the Arkansas houses.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Now you're defending racism? Excellent. The law also spoke on Jim Crow and so forth for awhile.

analogy --------------------------------------------------------> you

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Drugs have become illegal because of racism and prejudice. Opium was associated with the "dangerous" Chinese immigrants. Marijuana with the Mexicans. The first laws against Marijuana in the United States (there were many laws FOR marijuana up to then) was in 1910 in Utah (I believe) in fear of the Mexicans. Cocaine was associated with the black subcultures, more specifically the Jazz scene which caused them to be illegal. Mushrooms, Acid, etc were out of fear for the hippies and the possibility of an oncoming revolution. It's not until much more recently have we began trying to protect people...I think the 1970's was the first time you could make a case perhaps

The complete reasons behind the illegality of drugs are and will always be debatable. What will not always be debatable is the fact that there are illegal substances.

Racism and classism are two of the alleged and evidenced reasons why crack cocaine carries a heavier penality than powder cocaine. Other alleged and evidenced reasons include the mixture of different substances in crack cocaine to make for a cheaper and more potent substance to sell to people of lower SES.

However, claims of racism and classism will not get someone arrested on crack cocaine possession off the hook but rather may get a more comparable sentence to someone arrested on powder cocaine (who is more likely to be able to afford a lawyer). So let's go back to the fact that they're illegal as to not unnecessarily complicate the issue.

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Either way, none of this has anything to do with SEC tiers.

But it must!

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

Coke is prevalent in my chapter as well as many of the Arkansas houses.

Naughty boys. Sore noses make for lame existences.

But as long as you look and dress the part of an upstanding Southern gentleman in a "top tiered fraternity" from a "top tiered school," everything's okay. Going back to the issues of racism and classism.......

[gtdxeric]

Originally Posted by DSTCHAOS

Racism and classism are two of the alleged and evidenced reasons why crack cocaine carries a heavier penality than powder cocaine.

She don't lie, she don't lie, she don't lie.