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Old 03-19-2008, 12:10 AM
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When haven't college students been seen as party animals? Did I miss something? And uh, hi, crowd of over 100 and only he could figure out that a guy floating facedown in the water wasn't quite right?
The EMT in me is just stunned that no one else could be bothered to act at all. And annoyed. If the article is accurate.
As an EMT, I am sure you must have seen situations that no one did a thing.
Several years ago, a woman was killed, murdered with over 20 people just about looking on. No one called the police. No one said a thing.
This was in NYC.
Woman's name was, IIRC, Kitty Genovese.
I was right, for a change:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitty_Genovese
The bystander effect (also known as bystander apathy, Genovese syndrome, diffused responsibility or bystander intervention) is a psychological phenomenon in which someone is less likely to intervene in an emergency situation when other people are present and able to help than when he or she is alone.
Solitary individuals will typically intervene if another person is in need of help: this is known as bystander intervention. However, researchers were surprised to find that help is less likely to be given if more people are present. In some situations, a large group of bystanders may fail to help a person who obviously needs help. An example which shocked many people is the Kitty Genovese case. Kitty Genovese was stabbed to death in 1964 by a serial rapist and murderer. The murder took place over a period of about a half hour, after which it was reported that dozens of alleged "witnesses" failed to help the victim. For this reason, the name Genovese syndrome or Genovese effect was used to describe the phenomenon at the time. In 1972, Dr. Wolfgang Friedmann, professor of law at Columbia University, was murdered in broad daylight and bled to death on the sidewalk. The death of Deletha Word near Detroit in 1995 after witnesses failed to thwart her attackers, as well as the James Bulger murder case, may have been other well-publicized cases of the effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

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Old 03-19-2008, 12:15 AM
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As an EMT, I am sure you must have seen situations that no one did a thing.
Several years ago, a woman was killed, murdered with over 20 people just about looking on. No one called the police. No one said a thing.
This was in NYC.
Woman's name was, IIRC, Kitty Genovese.
I know the story, it's a famous anecdote in psychology. It's actually about 30-40 people that ignored Kitty's screams. And I wrote a 10 page paper on the Diffusion of Responsibility for AP Psych. Anyway, point is, how can college students suddenly 'ditch the stereotype of wild party-animal' if only one kid acts in a crowd of over 100? Really that seems to be enforcing another stereotype. Uncaring slacker.
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Old 03-19-2008, 12:32 AM
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I know the story, it's a famous anecdote in psychology. It's actually about 30-40 people that ignored Kitty's screams. And I wrote a 10 page paper on the Diffusion of Responsibility for AP Psych. Anyway, point is, how can college students suddenly 'ditch the stereotype of wild party-animal' if only one kid acts in a crowd of over 100? Really that seems to be enforcing another stereotype. Uncaring slacker.
Was not 30-40 but not the point.
We do not know, based upon the sole story we have seen, if everyone there was a member of a GLO, let alone a college student.
So IMVHO my above posting answers your question.

And if the story had given his membership in just a GLO, perhaps it would have been read differently. Something that we will never know.
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:05 AM
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Was not 30-40 but not the point.
We do not know, based upon the sole story we have seen, if everyone there was a member of a GLO, let alone a college student.
So IMVHO my above posting answers your question.

And if the story had given his membership in just a GLO, perhaps it would have been read differently. Something that we will never know.
Um what? And no. Are you taking over for Earp?
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Old 03-19-2008, 01:15 AM
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Um what? And no. Are you taking over for Earp?
No; but it would seem as if you are
If I am following your comments correctly:
In the case of Kitty:
"Later investigation by police and prosecutors revealed that approximately a dozen (but almost certainly not the 38 cited in the Times article) individuals nearby had heard or observed portions of the attack, though none could have seen or been aware of the entire incident."
BTB-I was living in NYC at the time.
And I agree with nittanyalum about what would most likely have been written if story was about mis-deeds.
And if was to be added in that case, why was in not added in a story about good deeds?
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Old 03-23-2008, 05:03 PM
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Um what? And no. Are you taking over for Earp?

Exuse me, but why was my name even brought up in this conversation?


This is usual for Greeks.

Do something bad, it is all over the NEWs MEDIA.

But when someone a Greek does something like this, We as Greeks get slighted.

All I know, this young man saved someones life.
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