The 2008 presidential field at-a-glance

[srmom]

I doubt that the delegates would be that naive enough to believe that McCain would have any real chance against Hillary or Obama

That may be true, but I can't see the delegates so willfully disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of people nationwide who voted in the primaries. McCain won the majority of the votes, that's it. Ron Paul only got around 7% or so in each state - so it is kind of delusional to think/hope that the delegates would give him the nomination

The delegates are sent to the convention as representatives of the voters, supposedly they have some moral compass that would keep them from just getting together and saying, "to he** with what the voters want, we'll just pick whoever we want."

[KAPital PHINUst]

Originally Posted by srmom

That may be true, but I can't see the delegates so willfully disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of people nationwide who voted in the primaries. McCain won the majority of the votes, that's it. Ron Paul only got around 7% or so in each state - so it is kind of delusional to think/hope that the delegates would give him the nomination

The delegates are sent to the convention as representatives of the voters, supposedly they have some moral compass that would keep them from just getting together and saying, "to he** with what the voters want, we'll just pick whoever we want."

The delegates' obligation to vote for McCain is only to the extent that they are a legally (as opposed to morally) bound delegate. That's it.

Ex. Ohio (I think) is a "winner take all" state. McCain won Ohio. But guess what? The delegates are under NO obligation to vote for him--Ohio's delegates are unbound.

The MSM is presuming that because Romney and Huckabee threw their support to McCain, their delegates automatically get assigned to McCain as if they are legally bound. Not so. Hence in part the presumption that the nomination is hemmed up. Those delegates can vote for whoever they wish, frontrunner status be darned.

IMO, I think the MSM's numbers on McCain's delegates are significantly, if not grossly, inflated. If McCain had the nomination locked up, we wouldn't have a need for a convention to decide it.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by srmom

That may be true, but I can't see the delegates so willfully disenfranchising hundreds of thousands of people nationwide who voted in the primaries. McCain won the majority of the votes, that's it. Ron Paul only got around 7% or so in each state - so it is kind of delusional to think/hope that the delegates would give him the nomination

The delegates are sent to the convention as representatives of the voters, supposedly they have some moral compass that would keep them from just getting together and saying, "to he** with what the voters want, we'll just pick whoever we want."

Particularly when things have ended up as decisive for McCain with GOP voters as they have, and he's polling as well against the Democratic candidates as he is.

It's not that I think he will necessarily win the general, but he won't end up with the GOP equivalent of of Mondale and Dukakis results, I don't think.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

All the sorostitutes and fratdaddies are overanalyzing everything again.

Uh...at a loss?

Originally Posted by SECdomination

I wasn't trying to imply that Barack Obama is a terrorist. What I WAS implying is that international terrorists groups that hate America would be thrilled to see Obama put in office, as opposed to McCain or Hillary.

Then just say this.

Osama Obama has been used over and over and it's usually used to play-up his name and the general fear of Islam, rather than a discussion of his views on terrorism. So there's no way to assume that you mean it differently than others have used it.

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by SECdomination

All the sorostitutes and fratdaddies are overanalyzing everything again.

I wasn't trying to imply that Barack Obama is a terrorist. What I WAS implying is that international terrorists groups that hate America would be thrilled to see Obama put in office, as opposed to McCain or Hillary.

pssst ......guess what everytime you do the "Osama Obama" thing.....you aren't doing anything but helping it along....


try focusing on an issue.....a RELEVANT issue

[DaemonSeid]

and this is being whispered along

(US News) Senior Democratic strategists, many of whom had previously panned talk of a Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket, are now talking up the idea of a ticket headed by Barack Obama with Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

"The campaign has created a lot of hurts, but it might be the only way she can get to the top job," said a party strategist with ties to the Clintons.

"It would give her a chance to deal with all her negatives, but she'd have to prove herself in the job," said the strategist. Another suggested that the twinning is unlikely but might be the best way to rally the party against John McCain, the likely Republican nominee. "If it happened--if, if--they might be able to build on the change message by saying this is the biggest change in politics ever."

What's more, he said, by having Clinton as vice president, it would mean that former President Bill Clinton wouldn't have as large an office in the White House as he would as first husband, meaning his actions would win less attention by the media. Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have said in the past that women face a glass ceiling in politics and that grabbing the vice presidency is the best way to break through.

Republican officials, told of the Obama-Clinton buzz, said that it would be an easy ticket to beat because it would include two very liberal candidates who've proposed massive new spending programs and who lack McCain's experience.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3900078.shtml

[jon1856]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and this is being whispered along

(US News) Senior Democratic strategists, many of whom had previously panned talk of a Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket, are now talking up the idea of a ticket headed by Barack Obama with Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

"The campaign has created a lot of hurts, but it might be the only way she can get to the top job," said a party strategist with ties to the Clintons.

"It would give her a chance to deal with all her negatives, but she'd have to prove herself in the job," said the strategist. Another suggested that the twinning is unlikely but might be the best way to rally the party against John McCain, the likely Republican nominee. "If it happened--if, if--they might be able to build on the change message by saying this is the biggest change in politics ever."

What's more, he said, by having Clinton as vice president, it would mean that former President Bill Clinton wouldn't have as large an office in the White House as he would as first husband, meaning his actions would win less attention by the media. Both Democratic and Republican lawmakers have said in the past that women face a glass ceiling in politics and that grabbing the vice presidency is the best way to break through.

Republican officials, told of the Obama-Clinton buzz, said that it would be an easy ticket to beat because it would include two very liberal candidates who've proposed massive new spending programs and who lack McCain's experience.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n3900078.shtml

Interesting thought.
However, the POV of someone I know who is working for Clinton is that she will NOT take on the role of VP. And the person I know seems to be a a close "circle" as they seem to regularly have dinner with her.

But only time will tell.

[KAPital PHINUst]

Lemme just say this about the so-called "frontrunners":

McCain scares me with his talk on foreign policy. I can see it now:

January 20, 2009: McCain gets inaugurated.
January 21, 2009: McCain drops an 200 megaton nuke on Iran.
Januray 22, 2009: McCain drops a 200 megaton nuke on Iraq.

If McCain wins the White House, someone better call Dr. Strangelove. And to think I thought The Ghoul was evil!! *shudders*

Mind you, I don't find this country out of harm's way (economically, domestically, or foreign policy-wise) with either Obama or Clinton in office, though I doubt their tactics and measures won't be quite as extreme. But let's not split hairs.

I will fight tooth and nail to keep all of them away from the White House.

[UGAalum94]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

January 20, 2009: McCain gets inaugurated.
January 21, 2009: McCain drops an 200 megaton nuke on Iran.
Januray 22, 2009: McCain drops a 200 megaton nuke on Iraq.

If you dropped two 200 megaton nukes on those targets, would there even be a Middle East left?

[nittanyalum]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I will fight tooth and nail to keep all of them away from the White House.

Yeah, you do that. Let us know how that one-man battle goes.

The histrionics make your "arguments" beyond ridiculous. I'm not a McCain voter, but to even suggest he'd launch nukes just days after his inauguration is so blindingly stupid it's indescribable. Though I can't believe I'm even entertaining this discussion with a counter-point, the logistics of bugging all of the Americans and other troops on "our side" out of Iraq before "dropping the bomb" (please) are impossible and it would never ever ever ever be entertained.

[LeslieAGD]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and this is being whispered along

(US News) Senior Democratic strategists, many of whom had previously panned talk of a Clinton-Obama or Obama-Clinton ticket, are now talking up the idea of a ticket headed by Barack Obama with Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

"The campaign has created a lot of hurts, but it might be the only way she can get to the top job," said a party strategist with ties to the Clintons.

"It would give her a chance to deal with all her negatives, but she'd have to prove herself in the job," said the strategist. Another suggested that the twinning is unlikely but might be the best way to rally the party against John McCain, the likely Republican nominee. "If it happened--if, if--they might be able to build on the change message by saying this is the biggest change in politics ever."

I think a Clinton-Obama ticket makes much more sense than an Obama-Clinton one. Hillary brings the experience and better policy ideas, and Barack is on the backburner "inspiring." I'm not a fan of Obama but, as a VP, he'd have a claim to experience and be in a perfect position to ascend to the presidency in 8 years. I would think that an intelligent Democratic party would see and encourage this as a way to control the White House for (potentially) the next 16 years.